910 save percentage is above average in the league.
905 is average and 900 or below is below average

He drives his own line. Plays on the 4v5 and 3v5 boxplay and when McDavid was out for 5 games Draisaitl went 2ppg and Oilers went 4-1. He is a legit top 2 center. Most underrated player in the league

Everyone declines. This is ridiculous.

What are you smoking?

fine I did the research and your kind of right.
.915 < is above average
.905-.915 is average
.904 > is below average

this was not the case 10-20 years ago
I'm old school I guess

Yeah its crazy how little scoring there is now compared to how it used to be.
I was also taking about starters/tandems bc actual backups (mcelhinny is one that comes to mind) really skews the percentages. The real way to do it is to do sv% per games played but thats too much work for me lol. The way i see it for starters/tandems its
.920 < is above average
.912 or so - .919 is average and
.911 > is below average.

9:20 to me is elite especially for tandems.
for instance lehner is above average he had a 918
carey price had a 907
hellebuyck had a 922
and vasilevskiy had a 917
usually elite goalies have 2-3 seasons in their career above 920 and the majority of good but not elite goalies range in the 910-918 range 905-910 is still a decent season and 904 or below usually means a weaker season

How did McDavid do these playoffs 😭😭😭 he couldn’t even make the playoffs in PRIOR years LMAO

What tf u mean last 4 years LMAO. They only made the playoffs once in the last 4 years 😭😭😭😭

McDavid, mackinnon, matthews, Crosby and maybe point are all better

I think youre talking about career with those numbers.
Lehner didnt have the greatest season with a .913, but he did have a very solid 2.29 gaa bc of the team he played on. I think thats also important to notice is the teams these goalies are playing on. Price had a .901 and for the 3rd time in the last 4 years has had a sub .910 sv%. Hes not a good goalie anymore. Hes a below average tandem goalie rn. Hellebuyck had a .916 behind one of the worst defenses in the league. And vasilevskiy had a .925 and imo shouldve won the vezina. Take a guy like linus ullmark behind another one of the worst teams in the league. He had a .917 sv% that wouldve been higher on an average team. He isnt an elite goalie or anything hes a solid starter/1A. Last year he had a .915 on the same terrible buffalo team. I think if you take the starting goalies and the tamdem goalies you'll see tbe average sv% is higher than you think.

Drai>crosby.

i’d argue the ullmark! i would bet money he has a monster season and is regarded as one of the best this season! with a decent d core he’s going to put up elite leve goalie stats and the rest your right on

I agree ullmark is going to have a monster season. But hes still not an elite goalie. Either way i think we pretty much agree and the other things are minor details.

that one time Drai was a playoff beast

LD: 21, 11-16-27 [1.29 P/GP] +7
MM: 32, 5-20-25 [0.78 P/GP] -1

Number are hard, aren't they.

31 teams x 2 goalies each = 62 goalies. If we look at 2 years data and filter by 30 GP, we get 63 goalies... .910 is right in the middle of that: http://www.nhl.com

Filtering by 60 GP gets us 31 goalies, or all the "starters". Again, .910 is right in the middle of that list: http://www.nhl.com

Since Koskinen is on that list having played 64 games (25th most in the league), you could place him anywhere from 16th to 30th in the league as far as ability. His contract, at $4.5M with 1 year left, places him as the 21st highest paid goalie in the league: https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2022/caphit/all/goalies

You can argue that his contract is on the high side compared to his performance, but it's clearly within the same range.

lol what?

3 times in the past 5 years officially. https://www.capfriendly.com/players/leon-draisaitl

You're proving my point.

That is an ok backup which is what he is.

Right and an ok backup making 4.5m is a cap dump.

Point? You kidding me? Matthews scores loads of goals but Draisaitl can do that too to a lesser extent and is a much better playmaker than Matthews. Matthews has played with Hyman and Marner that supporting cast is much better then Nuge/Kahun and Yama. Crosby is still one of the best but Draisaitl has been top 2 in scoring these last 2 seasons and has the hardware that Crosby doesn't have. MacKinnon is top 3 but has never scored 50 goals or 100+ points and does not have any hardware. Also he plays in the best 1st line in the league. Rantanen, Toews, Makar and Landeskog is a nasty supporting cast. Draisaitl easily scores 55+ goals and 140+ points with that. Whenever McDavid is out he steps up. Oilers went 4-1 and Draisaitl has 2ppg when McDavid was our for 5 games in the 2018-2019 season

Literally 40% of drais points came on the PP last year… where he plays with connor fuxkin McDavid. If u give Matthews a set up man like mcdavid, he would legit score 65-70 goals in a season. And there were so many times last year and the years prior when drai and mcdavid played on the same line, for multiple games. And wow drai played well without mcdavid for FIVE games what a big sample size. Matthews scored 40 in his rookie year primary playing with hyman and Connor brown, and on the second PP. if drai didn’t have mcdavid, he legit would be a 75-80 point player, and that’s being generous. Matthews and Mackinnon and miles ahead of him. Not to mention, how much of a defensive liability drai is.

And points don’t represent if a Player is better than another player or not, they should be considered but should not be the primary focus of the argument. Drai played in a terribly weak division and Mackinnon prolly played in the best division last season, and still put up incredible numbers. Drai is a good offensive player, but he is most certainly not better than Crosby, Matthews, or Mackinnon and prolly Point. When u get 40% of ur points on the PP and often times play with McDavid on EV ur numbers are bound to be high, I can’t even imagine how many points Mackinnon or Matthews would have playing with 97