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Dobson and wahlstrom

Created by: UBS_ARENA
Team: 2021-22 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 9, 2021
Published: Sep. 9, 2021
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This acgm is about putting our future stars in the best position to succeed while not bringing down the rest of the team.

Put wahlstrom on barzals wing and on pp1. He will get more O-zone starts on line 1 and will be playing with an elite playmaker. He wont always be thinking defense first like he is on JGPs wing.
He could also be a big help on a struggling PP. A great shot with a great passer and a great net front presence in lee. Our PP could be functional finally.

If you were to create the perfect partner for dobson on nhl 22 it would be an exact replica of adam pelech. With that being said, we would need to find the perfect partner for pulock in order to make this a reality.
He has been playing on PP1 and should continue to do that. The thing that is underrated about him, and the problem with leddy and pjlock is hes a good passer. Pulock has a great shot and leddy is a great skater but none of them are great passers. Thats what you need from a dman QBing the PP. Also not having to run the PP as barzal will be doing that helps to take some of the pressure and responsibility off his shoulders. With a shot like wahlstroms to pass to and lee in front if he shoots it, he has some nice pieces to play with.

I know chychrun isnt for sale, and certainly not for 2 1sts but i think this would be an offer Arizona would consider.
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I know quality doesnt equal quality, but these are our quality pieces. 2 1sts, a real solid prospect in bolduc, wilde whos a low floor high ceiling guy, a reclamation project in bellows who i personally think will be better than most on cf do, a mid-late round pick when panik is flipped, and holmstrom who shouldntve been a 1st round pick but has shown some real promise, especially on the international stage.
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  2. Bolduc, Samuel
  3. Holmström, Simon
  4. Pánik, Richard
  5. Wilde, Bode
  6. 2022 1st round pick (NYI)
  7. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
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Sep. 9, 2021 at 10:27 p.m.
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So you think Arizona would want 4 B prospects, a cap dump, and two late 1sts for an elite 2-way D-man on a mouth-watering contract? He is the cornerstone of Arizona's rebuild, he isn't going anywhere. His value is comparable to: Beauvillier, Dobson, Sorokin, 1st. At least imo, that offer evens seems on the low end
Sep. 9, 2021 at 10:36 p.m.
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So you think Arizona would want 4 B prospects, a cap dump, and two late 1sts for an elite 2-way D-man on a mouth-watering contract? He is the cornerstone of Arizona's rebuild, he isn't going anywhere. His value is comparable to: Beauvillier, Dobson, Sorokin, 1st. At least imo, that offer evens seems on the low end


Beauvillier, Dobson, Sorokin, and a 1st lol. I agree this offer wouldn’t get it done but The isles wouldn’t even give up two out of those 4 assets for chycrun
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Sep. 9, 2021 at 11:07 p.m.
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Beauvillier, Dobson, Sorokin, and a 1st lol. I agree this offer wouldn’t get it done but The isles wouldn’t even give up two out of those 4 assets for chycrun


How much do you think i would have to add to this to make a deal. OR is there another LHD (better than pelech) that might be moved by his team.
Sep. 9, 2021 at 11:12 p.m.
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How much do you think i would have to add to this to make a deal. OR is there another LHD (better than pelech) that might be moved by his team.


I think it would cost one of Wahlstrom/Dobson + a 1st for Chychrun (isles wouldn’t do that). There are like 5-6 LHD better than Pelech and none of them are available. Chychrun isn’t even better than Pelech. The only LHD that could be had are Lindholm/Ekholm and it will cost a lot. That’s why I think it’s smart to go for undervalued D like Kulak/Dunn/Soucy
Sep. 9, 2021 at 11:13 p.m.
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So you think Arizona would want 4 B prospects, a cap dump, and two late 1sts for an elite 2-way D-man on a mouth-watering contract? He is the cornerstone of Arizona's rebuild, he isn't going anywhere. His value is comparable to: Beauvillier, Dobson, Sorokin, 1st. At least imo, that offer evens seems on the low end


That's a little steep to expect anyone to pay, but your heart is in the right place.

But yeah, why would Arizona trade a 23 year old 1D on a sweetheart deal for anything short of a kings ransom?
Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:08 a.m.
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I think it would cost one of Wahlstrom/Dobson + a 1st for Chychrun (isles wouldn’t do that). There are like 5-6 LHD better than Pelech and none of them are available. Chychrun isn’t even better than Pelech. The only LHD that could be had are Lindholm/Ekholm and it will cost a lot. That’s why I think it’s smart to go for undervalued D like Kulak/Dunn/Soucy


Chychrun is 100% better than pelech. I agree its much smarter to go for an undervalued guy but in this scenario where pelech is playing LD2 i need a LD1.
Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:26 a.m.
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Chychrun is 100% better than pelech. I agree its much smarter to go for an undervalued guy but in this scenario where pelech is playing LD2 i need a LD1.


Chychrun is a better goal scorer than Pelech, but he’s not better at driving offense and he’s not better defensively. Pelech is in the 15-20 range and Chychrun is in the 25-30 range. There were only 5 defenseman who were better at generating quality scoring chances than Pelech last season.
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Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:27 a.m.
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Chychrun is 100% better than pelech. I agree its much smarter to go for an undervalued guy but in this scenario where pelech is playing LD2 i need a LD1.


That’s why separating pelech-Pulock makes no sense. Give Dobson a decent two way D and the pairing will become one of the better 2nd pairings in the league
Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:29 a.m.
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Chychrun is a better goal scorer than Pelech, but he’s not better at driving offense and he’s not better defensively. Pelech is in the 15-20 range and Chychrun is in the 25-30 range. There were only 5 defenseman who were better at generating quality scoring chances than Pelech last season.


Hold on... so you're telling me that Pelech, who had 14 points, is a better play driver than Chychrun, who had 41 points on Arizona??

What the hell
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Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:58 a.m.
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Hold on... so you're telling me that Pelech, who had 14 points, is a better play driver than Chychrun, who had 41 points on Arizona??

What the hell


Is Tyson Barrie a better offensive play driver than Slavin because he had more points? Putting up points is different than driving offense.
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Sep. 10, 2021 at 1:02 a.m.
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Hold on... so you're telling me that Pelech, who had 14 points, is a better play driver than Chychrun, who had 41 points on Arizona??

What the hell

92nd percentile for even strength offense, Chychrun is at 82%.

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Sep. 10, 2021 at 6:41 a.m.
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92nd percentile for even strength offense, Chychrun is at 82%.



All this shows is how terrible this model is
Sep. 10, 2021 at 9:55 a.m.
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All this shows is how terrible this model is


Almost every model shows that Pelech is the stronger offensive play driver
Sep. 10, 2021 at 10:29 a.m.
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Almost every model shows that Pelech is the stronger offensive play driver


That literally does not make logical sense, chychrun is a far, far better offensive player than pelech and anyone who has actually watched the two instead of just staring at charts all day will tell you so
Sep. 10, 2021 at 11:19 a.m.
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That literally does not make logical sense, chychrun is a far, far better offensive player than pelech and anyone who has actually watched the two instead of just staring at charts all day will tell you so


Chychrun a better goal scorer , but he’s not better at driving offense. If you actually watch both players, it’s easy to see Pelech is the better offensive play driver. He’s better at moving the puck from defense to offense and pushing play forward. Pelech is also better at making subtle plays in the ozone to generate high danger scoring chances. Not everything is about points. Using the excuse that Chychrun plays for Arizona is a flawed argument because his quality of teammates was higher than Pelech’s last season. His most common linemates at even strength were Garland, Dvorak , Kessel, and Keller.
Sep. 10, 2021 at 11:25 a.m.
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Chychrun a better goal scorer , but he’s not better at driving offense. If you actually watch both players, it’s easy to see Pelech is the better offensive play driver. He’s better at moving the puck from defense to offense and pushing play forward. Pelech is also better at making subtle plays in the ozone to generate high danger scoring chances. Not everything is about points. Using the excuse that Chychrun plays for Arizona is a flawed argument because his quality of teammates was higher than Pelech’s last season. His most common linemates at even strength were Garland, Dvorak , Kessel, and Keller.


If a player is supposedly good at driving offense, wouldn't it make sense that they would have participated in a lot of goals?
Sep. 10, 2021 at 11:30 a.m.
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If a player is supposedly good at driving offense, wouldn't it make sense that they would have participated in a lot of goals?


He did - Pelech’s GF/60 (how many goals for the player is on relative to the league) is above average. Not everything is about points.
Sep. 10, 2021 at 11:49 a.m.
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He did - Pelech’s GF/60 (how many goals for the player is on relative to the league) is above average. Not everything is about points.


What about chychrun?
Sep. 10, 2021 at 11:56 a.m.
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What about chychrun?


He was also very good offensively, the point here is that Pelech was better. Pelechs xGF/60 (driving offense) was 3 SD last season which means he generated offense 3x rate of a league average defenseman.

Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:02 p.m.
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He was also very good offensively, the point here is that Pelech was better. Pelechs xGF/60 (driving offense) was 3 SD last season which means he generated offense 3x rate of a league average defenseman.



I don't care about "expected" goals, real goals are way more important lol
Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:38 p.m.
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I don't care about "expected" goals, real goals are way more important lol


Yup and Pelech was above average at increasing the rate his team scores “real goals”
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Sep. 10, 2021 at 1:44 p.m.
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I don't care about "expected" goals, real goals are way more important lol


Real goals dont tell how good a player played.
Sep. 10, 2021 at 2:22 p.m.
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Yup and Pelech was above average at increasing the rate his team scores “real goals”


But was he better than chychrun?
Sep. 10, 2021 at 2:23 p.m.
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Real goals dont tell how good a player played.


The goal of the game is to score and to prevent goals. If scoring goals doesn't say anything about how good the player is offensively, then what is the point of the game?
 
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