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What would you give up for Rickard Rakell?
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                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:07 p.m.
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                      Value?
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:19 p.m.
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                      nothing more than a 2nd and a mid level prospect
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                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:19 p.m.
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                      Not much. I think moving Rakell will be a deadline move for the Ducks and his value depends a lot on how he performs this season. He's not the 30+ goal guy he once was.
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                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:23 p.m.
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                      Not much. I think moving Rakell will be a deadline move for the Ducks and his value depends a lot on how he performs this season. He's not the 30+ goal guy he once was.


                      I agree with you, he isn’t who he once was

                      Therefore, I’d have him play with Zegras and Comtois to try and max his value for a TDL trade
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                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:24 p.m.
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                      I agree with you, he isn’t who he once was

                      Therefore, I’d have him play with Zegras and Comtois to try and max his value for a TDL trade


                      That's the best way to handle it, IMO.
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:25 p.m.
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                      Dubas isn't a big rental guy and has said they haven't had any discussions about players who expire after this year, so not much from the Leafs. If he has good season you could maybe squeeze out a 1st + a small something from somebody, idk.
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:26 p.m.
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                      That's the best way to handle it, IMO.


                      I think the Ducks have to do that

                      I feel if he has somewhere around .75 to .85 points per game he could get a late first from a contender, maybe some kind of prospect as well, but only if he is looking like the old him

                      Also being 50% retained as well
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                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:27 p.m.
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                      Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
                      Dubas isn't a big rental guy and has said they haven't had any discussions about players who expire after this year, so not much from the Leafs. If he has good season you could maybe squeeze out a 1st + a small something from somebody, idk.


                      What I was thinking
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:29 p.m.
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                      K here is how we value Rakell

                      If he has a good season going up to the trade deadline Anaheim potentially can get a 1st and maybe more for him. Now if he struggles Anaheim should expect a similar return to what Hall got (a 2nd and depth guy)

                      Its a wait and see game rn
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                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:31 p.m.
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                      K here is how we value Rakell

                      If he has a good season going up to the trade deadline Anaheim potentially can get a 1st and maybe more for him. Now if he struggles Anaheim should expect a similar return to what Hall got (a 2nd and depth guy)

                      Its a wait and see game rn


                      Absolutely agree

                      Have to try and get him preforming like his old self in hopes of a later 1st + prospect (that range, hopefully)
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                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 12:35 p.m.
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                      Not much. I think moving Rakell will be a deadline move for the Ducks and his value depends a lot on how he performs this season. He's not the 30+ goal guy he once was.


                      If i were the oilers I would look at this some type of package with Kassian a pick Probably a first because of Kassain contract length and a prospect.
                      I would then run oilers lines as
                      Hyman, Mcdavid, JP
                      RNH, Dri, Rakell
                      Foegel, Ryan, Yamo
                      Shore, Mcloed, Arch
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 1:02 p.m.
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                      If i were the oilers I would look at this some type of package with Kassian a pick Probably a first because of Kassain contract length and a prospect.
                      I would then run oilers lines as
                      Hyman, Mcdavid, JP
                      RNH, Dri, Rakell
                      Foegel, Ryan, Yamo
                      Shore, Mcloed, Arch


                      I'd wait to see how well Rakell and Kassian perform. I think the Oilers really like Kassian's physical style, and he's actually outperformed Rakell over the past 2 years when you look at 5v5 scoring.

                      Rakell's playoff scoring is pretty sad, too. What's the point of spending a 1st on a rental who isn't a proven playoff performer?
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 1:12 p.m.
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                      I like the idea for the Oilers and wouldn't mind giving Yamamoto, 3rd. or Kassian & 2nd.
                      If all go well they would sign him back @ 4,5M/y
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 3:15 p.m.
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                      I'd wait to see how well Rakell and Kassian perform. I think the Oilers really like Kassian's physical style, and he's actually outperformed Rakell over the past 2 years when you look at 5v5 scoring.

                      Rakell's playoff scoring is pretty sad, too. What's the point of spending a 1st on a rental who isn't a proven playoff performer?


                      Those are all valid points. I do agree oilers do like kassian.
                      I would still do the trade for a few reasons. I think Rakell is much more likely succeed next to Dri and RNH and regain more of his old form. It allows you to move yamo to 3rd line against much more manageable competition for him. Kassian is fantastic when he is on. problem is for the last couple years he has not been and has been no where to found in the playoffs either.

                      At the end of the day I see more up side with rakell and the 1st is more for the cap dump of kassian and his remaining years. If neither pan out you now have 3.5 mill in cap space for next year. A step they will probably have to do if kassian struggles again regardless. Id take the gamble on the player that has put up 40+ points and 15+ goals consistently
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 4:07 p.m.
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                      Those are all valid points. I do agree oilers do like kassian.
                      I would still do the trade for a few reasons. I think Rakell is much more likely succeed next to Dri and RNH and regain more of his old form. It allows you to move yamo to 3rd line against much more manageable competition for him.

                      I don't think it's possible for Rakell to regain his old form. He got injured 2-3 years ago and has never been the same again. Look at his goal scoring and shooting percentage and you'll see exactly where the drop comes in. Wishing and hoping he regains his 30-goal form just isn't going to cut it for me.

                      Quoting: mm1010
                      At the end of the day I see more up side with rakell and the 1st is more for the cap dump of kassian and his remaining years. If neither pan out you now have 3.5 mill in cap space for next year. A step they will probably have to do if kassian struggles again regardless. Id take the gamble on the player that has put up 40+ points and 15+ goals consistently

                      But Kassian is actually getting better results the past 2 seasons. Why are you giving up a 1st round pick AND the better player? That's illogical.
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 4:15 p.m.
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                      I don't think it's possible for Rakell to regain his old form. He got injured 2-3 years ago and has never been the same again. Look at his goal scoring and shooting percentage and you'll see exactly where the drop comes in. Wishing and hoping he regains his 30-goal form just isn't going to cut it for me.


                      But Kassian is actually getting better results the past 2 seasons. Why are you giving up a 1st round pick AND the better player? That's illogical.


                      I am not hoping for the 30+ goal player. a consistent 15 maybe a good year at 20 is what i would be looking for.

                      You can change it from a first but its for the extra 2 years at 3.5. I dont think anyone in the league think he is worth that much unfortunately. so if he doesn't preform this year which i think he will struggle as there are others who will be pushing him for the ice time they will be using an asset regardless to get rid of him

                      also Rakells points per 60 did drop but pretty much every year is above kassian except kassians one outlier of a year which he had never come close to once before or since.
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 4:36 p.m.
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                      I am not hoping for the 30+ goal player. a consistent 15 maybe a good year at 20 is what i would be looking for.

                      He hasn't scored 15 goals (or even a 15-goal pace) at 5v5 for 3 seasons now, while Kassian has.

                      Rakell, 5v5 goals per 82 games
                      18-19: 9 goals in 69 games = 11 goal pace
                      19-20: 11 in 65 = 14
                      20-21: 7 in 52 = 11
                      Average pace: 12 goals

                      Kassian
                      18-19: 12 goals in 79 games = 12 goal pace
                      19-20: 15 in 59 = 21
                      20-21: 2 in 27 = 6
                      Average pace: 13 goals

                      So you're trading a 1st + 13-goal guy for a 12-goal guy. Got it. Even ignoring all the intangibles Kassian brings that's a bad deal for Edmonton.

                      Quoting: mm1010
                      You can change it from a first but its for the extra 2 years at 3.5. I don't think anyone in the league think he is worth that much unfortunately. so if he doesn't preform this year which i think he will struggle as there are others who will be pushing him for the ice time they will be using an asset regardless to get rid of him

                      That's where you're wrong - there's always a market for big, fast, physical players who can score goals.
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 4:49 p.m.
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                      He hasn't scored 15 goals (or even a 15-goal pace) at 5v5 for 3 seasons now, while Kassian has.

                      Rakell, 5v5 goals per 82 games
                      18-19: 9 goals in 69 games = 11 goal pace
                      19-20: 11 in 65 = 14
                      20-21: 7 in 52 = 11
                      Average pace: 12 goals

                      Kassian
                      18-19: 12 goals in 79 games = 12 goal pace
                      19-20: 15 in 59 = 21
                      20-21: 2 in 27 = 6
                      Average pace: 13 goals

                      So you're trading a 1st + 13-goal guy for a 12-goal guy. Got it. Even ignoring all the intangibles Kassian brings that's a bad deal for Edmonton.


                      That's where you're wrong - there's always a market for big, fast, physical players who can score goals.


                      not sure about that at his price tag. If there was NY PIT and a few others would have been all over.

                      Yes your goal projections are on point. but you are missing some very important details.
                      Like Kassian most common line mate was..... Conner mcdavid. thats going to add a goal or two to your projected goals out comes.
                      then when you look at his productivity away from conner its almost non existent

                      Rakells most common line mate was Issac lundestrom. Then Ryan GEtzlaf and everybody knows where he is at in his career.

                      as for the intangibles kassian brings well know one in edmonton has seen them since the playoffs in 2017.... We all hope and think he can bring it back but sadly they have been MIA

                      So yes I would bank on Rakell Goal production increasing playing along side mcdavid or DRi simply because he is a more skilled player.
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 5:10 p.m.
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                      not sure about that at his price tag. If there was NY PIT and a few others would have been all over.

                      He gets paid like a 3rd liner, I'm not sure what the issue is.

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                      So yes I would bank on Rakell Goal production increasing playing along side mcdavid or DRi simply because he is a more skilled player.

                      It might, but I wouldn't spend a 1st to find out. Even if he wasn't a rental.
                      Sep. 10, 2021 at 5:32 p.m.
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                      He gets paid like a 3rd liner, I'm not sure what the issue is.


                      It might, but I wouldn't spend a 1st to find out. Even if he wasn't a rental.


                      Issue might be that his perfomance is more like a 4th liner.

                      And the first isnt really for him its to dump the final 2 years of kassian.
                      REgardless that pick can change. 2nd -3rd doesnt matter to me.
                      Sep. 11, 2021 at 12:46 p.m.
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                      Tampa would probably give up a 1st next year and one of their younger prospects for Rakell if a 3rd team will retain extra cap for a mid round pick, kinda similar to the Savard deal last year
                       
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