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Securing the future at centre

Created by: l19f9
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 12, 2021
Published: Sep. 12, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Boston Bruins
Team Explanation
Buffalo fans… will this do it?
Bruins fans… hate to trade Lohrei and Lysell but I can’t see any other way to get Eichel.
Free Agent Signings
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Lohrei, Mason3$800,000
Trades
1.
BOS
  1. Eichel, Jack ($3,000,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Retention done through a 3rd party for the 2nd round pick.
BUF
  1. DeBrusk, Jake
  2. Lohrei, Mason
  3. Moore, John
  4. Lysell, Fabian
  5. Wagner, Chris
  6. 2022 2nd round pick (BOS)
  7. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
Debrusk - Potential top 6 LW
Lohrei - Boston’s top D Prospect (top 4)
Lysell - Boston’s top wing prospect (top 6)
Moore - Cap Dump but could be a decent bottom pair and good veteran when healthy.
Wagner - solid energy bottom 6 guy - good leader.
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
BOS
CGY
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2023
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2024
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$80,560,674$1,956,507$125,000$939,326
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BOS
Marchand, Brad
$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 4
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
$6,875,000
C
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
Pastrnak, David
$6,666,667
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Hall, Taylor
$6,000,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 4
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$7,000,000
C
UFA - 5
BOS
Smith, Craig
$3,100,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
BOS
Foligno, Nick
$3,800,000
LW, C, RW
NMC
UFA - 2
BOS
Haula, Erik
$2,375,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BOS
Coyle, Charlie
$5,250,000
C, RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 5
BOS
Frederic, Trent
$1,050,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
BOS
Nosek, Tomas
$1,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BOS
Lazar, Curtis
$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BOS
Forbort, Derek
$3,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
BOS
McAvoy, Charlie
$4,900,000
RD
UFA - 1
BOS
Ullmark, Linus
$5,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 4
BOS
Grzelcyk, Matt
$3,687,500
LD
UFA - 3
BOS
Carlo, Brandon
$4,100,000
RD
UFA - 6
BOS
Swayman, Jeremy
$925,000
G
RFA - 2
BOS
Reilly, Mike
$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
BOS
Clifton, Connor
$1,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BOS
Kuhlman, Karson
$725,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
BOS
Zboril, Jakub
$725,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
BOS
Blidh, Anton
$750,000
LW
UFA - 1

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Sep. 12 at 9:07 a.m.
#1
Joined: Jul. 2021
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Ah yes. 3m in dead cap for 5 years... for a 2nd. Totally doable.

And that package doesn't get you Eichel. Maybe if you add two more 1sts to it.
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Sep. 12 at 9:11 a.m.
#2
arky
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No one is retaining 9 million for a 2nd. And the Eichel is about one or 2 1st round picks short. Sabres do not need bottom 6 players and potential top 6 forwards who are not cost controlled for years.
Sep. 12 at 9:15 a.m.
#3
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I disagree with other comments that should be more than enough to get eichel but will need to pony up significantly for that third party retention because of the term.
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Sep. 12 at 9:27 a.m.
#4
Stay mad
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Quoting: mikearky
No one is retaining 9 million for a 2nd. And the Eichel is about one or 2 1st round picks short. Sabres do not need bottom 6 players and potential top 6 forwards who are not cost controlled for years.


3x5 is 15mil
Which just makes it even worse
Sep. 12 at 9:31 a.m.
#5
Joined: Feb. 2017
Posts: 4,336
Likes: 2,024
Its not enough. Buffalo needs higher end prospects or young players, mostly forwards. And the third team would be retaining 15 million (3 million, 5 years). You are welcome to value picks as you like, i figure a mid-first is worth about 5 million, so i would say, if you can get anybody to do it, it should cost about 3 firsts just for the third party retention.

Edit- nobody is doing that. Buffalo and arizona are probably the only teams willing to pay actual money to help teams curcumvent the cap, and they will wanna get something pretty nice for it. The sabres, i would hope, plan to be better in 3 years, which means all of the dead money retention crap would have to be off the books by the time they have to pay players to hopefully help them win games.
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Sep. 12 at 9:33 a.m.
#6
Pain for Shane
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A 2nd round pick does not get you $15 million in cap space. That’ll cost 2 1sts and a 2nd at least.
Sep. 12 at 10:24 a.m.
#7
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,148
Likes: 2,567
A second may get you 3 million retention for a year. I think it's a little.light but let's say it flies.

So then it costs you FIVE seconds. Not one. One for each year

And the eichel trade is pretty crappy.

And your second depth is still poor for the future as Bergeron is in his mid 30s so you still only have one c for the future.
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Sep. 12 at 10:28 a.m.
#8
Joined: Jan. 2019
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Likes: 261
Yup you're right, you can't see any other way to get Eichel bc there is none that makes sense for BOS. Only scenario that makes sense is BOS getting him when hes a FA in 5yrs.
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Sep. 12 at 10:58 a.m.
#9
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Posts: 20,355
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Quoting: Timmah007
I disagree with other comments that should be more than enough to get eichel but will need to pony up significantly for that third party retention because of the term.


So
DeBrusk = 2 2nds
Lysell = 1st
Lohrei = 2nd
Moore = -2nd
Wagner = 5th
1st
2nd

Does that even equal the 4 1sts for what Eichel cost with zero retention? Probably not.

If you think a bunch of 2nds can make up the missing value then Arizona can just buy Shane Wright and still keep their 2nd OA
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Sep. 12 at 11:17 a.m.
#10
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
So
DeBrusk = 2 2nds
Lysell = 1st
Lohrei = 2nd
Moore = -2nd
Wagner = 5th
1st
2nd

Does that even equal the 4 1sts for what Eichel cost with zero retention? Probably not.

If you think a bunch of 2nds can make up the missing value then Arizona can just buy Shane Wright and still keep their 2nd OA


Well Buffalo is clearly shooting for the stars thinking getting four first for eichel in the first place. Need to be realistic they aren’t getting that ask for a guy still requiring a very significant surgery. This offer is as good as I see it getting.
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Sep. 12 at 11:43 a.m.
#11
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Quoting: Timmah007
Well Buffalo is clearly shooting for the stars thinking getting four first for eichel in the first place. Need to be realistic they aren’t getting that ask for a guy still requiring a very significant surgery. This offer is as good as I see it getting.


Sure man, you are wrong but thats ok. Believe what you want
Sep. 12 at 6:08 p.m.
#12
Thread Starter
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Sure man, you are wrong but thats ok. Believe what you want


I guarantee that Buffalo doesn’t get 4 firsts or close to that value. Is he worth it. Yes. But there are too many unknowns with his injury and Buffalo doesn’t have the leverage because he wants to leave. If they hold out too long his NMC sets in and things get worst for them. They need to trade him before the NMC kicks in. Or they are going to be paying 10Mil for nothing.
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Sep. 12 at 10:45 p.m.
#13
arky
Joined: Aug. 2016
Posts: 4,249
Likes: 2,241
Quoting: l19f9
I guarantee that Buffalo doesn’t get 4 firsts or close to that value. Is he worth it. Yes. But there are too many unknowns with his injury and Buffalo doesn’t have the leverage because he wants to leave. If they hold out too long his NMC sets in and things get worst for them. They need to trade him before the NMC kicks in. Or they are going to be paying 10Mil for nothing.


Will they get 4 1st, NO. But they will get a better offer, I would bet. And nobody is taking on that retention for one 2nd. Please explain why they would?
 
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