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Two trades one CUP

Created by: Bruinsforlife
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 14, 2021
Published: Sep. 14, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Boston Bruins
Trades
1.
BOS
  1. Hertl, Tomas ($1,625,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Hertl sign an 6y 7m or 7x7
SJS
  1. Moore, John
  2. Studnicka, Jack
  3. Vaakanainen, Urho
  4. 2022 1st round pick (BOS)
  5. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
2.
BOS
  1. Benning, Matthew ($300,000 retained)
NSH
  1. Steen, Oskar
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
BOS
CGY
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2023
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2024
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,085,674$1,956,507$125,000$414,326
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BOS
Marchand, Brad
$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 4
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
$6,875,000
C
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
Pastrnak, David
$6,666,667
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Hall, Taylor
$6,000,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 4
SJS
Hertl, Tomas
$4,000,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
Smith, Craig
$3,100,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
BOS
DeBrusk, Jake
$3,675,000
LW
RFA - 1
BOS
Coyle, Charlie
$5,250,000
C, RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 5
BOS
Foligno, Nick
$3,800,000
LW, C, RW
NMC
UFA - 2
BOS
Haula, Erik
$2,375,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BOS
Nosek, Tomas
$1,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BOS
Frederic, Trent
$1,050,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BOS
Forbort, Derek
$3,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
BOS
McAvoy, Charlie
$4,900,000
RD
UFA - 1
BOS
Ullmark, Linus
$5,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 4
BOS
Grzelcyk, Matt
$3,687,500
LD
UFA - 3
BOS
Carlo, Brandon
$4,100,000
RD
UFA - 6
BOS
Swayman, Jeremy
$925,000
G
RFA - 2
BOS
Reilly, Mike
$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
NSH
Benning, Matthew
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BOS
Lazar, Curtis
$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
BOS
Clifton, Connor
$1,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
BOS
Wagner, Chris
$1,350,000
RW, C
UFA - 2

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Sep. 14 at 7:42 p.m.
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Are you under the impression that hertl is Gretzky?
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Sep. 14 at 7:48 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Are you under the impression that hertl is Gretzky?


if we get rid or uhro, i think its fair, but hertl is still a really good #2 center, who is consistent, can win faceoff, play a ok 2 way game and show good advanced stats and if he comes with a extension i think the price is pretty fair, but his value could drop if rumors says that he want out
Sep. 14 at 7:53 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Are you under the impression that hertl is Gretzky?


Two (presumably) late 1sts, two OK prospects, and a cap dump is the going price for Gretzky (with retention)?


NSH declines.
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Sep. 14 at 7:56 p.m.
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Quoting: gmgb
Two (presumably) late 1sts, two OK prospects, and a cap dump is the going price for Gretzky (with retention)?


NSH declines.


Probably not, but it’s more than any 2nd line rental center gets.
Sep. 14 at 7:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Bruinsforlife
if we get rid or uhro, i think its fair, but hertl is still a really good #2 center, who is consistent, can win faceoff, play a ok 2 way game and show good advanced stats and if he comes with a extension i think the price is pretty fair, but his value could drop if rumors says that he want out


Two firsts is a non starter.
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Sep. 14 at 8:09 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Probably not, but it’s more than any 2nd line rental center gets.


He’s not a rental when it says he has an extension, can you read or do you just choose to only read certain parts of the trade?
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Sep. 14 at 8:15 p.m.
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Quoting: glarson17
He’s not a rental when it says he has an extension, can you read or do you just choose to only read certain parts of the trade?


A player actually being traded with an extension is so rare, i don’t really consider it an option. He’s not signed beyond this season, so he’s a rental. What the team acquiring the player does with them after is their business.
Sep. 14 at 8:16 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Are you under the impression that hertl is Gretzky?


I mean looking at that package... I think AZ could've gotten WAY more for Dvorak. Hertl is solid, but that's an overpay. That package would be sufficient to acquire a player like chychrun - which would make this team a lot more lethal than hertl would. The versatility in bostons top pairings would be ridiculous, almost on the Canucks' level wink
Sep. 14 at 8:26 p.m.
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Quoting: MikeyG420
I mean looking at that package... I think AZ could've gotten WAY more for Dvorak. Hertl is solid, but that's an overpay. That package would be sufficient to acquire a player like chychrun - which would make this team a lot more lethal than hertl would. The versatility in bostons top pairings would be ridiculous, almost on the Canucks' level wink


Hertl is better than dvorak, hertl is a proven top 2 center and dvorak is not a proven top 2 and doesnt have enough history to make him a sure top2
Sep. 14 at 8:26 p.m.
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Given that Hertl has said that he'd like to play on an east coast team with other Czechs and a shot at the Cup, I genuinely think that the Bruins are likely to be a team on his trade list and could easily see him signing an extension there.
Sep. 14 at 8:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Bruinsforlife
Hertl is better than dvorak, hertl is a proven top 2 center and dvorak is not a proven top 2 and doesnt have enough history to make him a sure top2


Dvorak has four years. Hertl has one.
Sep. 14 at 8:29 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Probably not, but it’s more than any 2nd line rental center gets.


Change the 2023 1st to a 2nd, and I think it's fair for a retained and extended Hertl. I could still see SJ rejecting it for a return with fewer pieces, but a better 2nd best piece though.
Sep. 14 at 8:53 p.m.
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Quoting: bunnymcfoo
Given that Hertl has said that he'd like to play on an east coast team with other Czechs and a shot at the Cup, I genuinely think that the Bruins are likely to be a team on his trade list and could easily see him signing an extension there.


Where do you read this?
Sep. 14 at 9:15 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Probably not, but it’s more than any 2nd line rental center gets.


Hes a 1C
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Sep. 14 at 9:17 p.m.
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Quoting: UBS_ARENA
Hes a 1C


Then why doesn’t he play like it?
Sep. 14 at 9:21 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Then why doesn’t he play like it?


I wasnt aware that he doesnt considering

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Sep. 14 at 9:28 p.m.
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Quoting: UBS_ARENA
I wasnt aware that he doesnt considering



Charts are crap. Watch.
Sep. 14 at 9:29 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Charts are crap. Watch.


????
Sep. 14 at 9:30 p.m.
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Quoting: UBS_ARENA
????


Sorry, watch hockey.
Sep. 14 at 9:34 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Sorry, watch hockey.


Oh i do. I am a bigger proponent of the eye test than advanced analytics. (I mean i am an islanders fan and they constantly do better than their projections). But jfresh's track record is very good, he is the only model i care about. My point is you obviously havent watched him if you think he hasnt played like a 1C
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Sep. 14 at 9:40 p.m.
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Quoting: UBS_ARENA
Oh i do. I am a bigger proponent of the eye test than advanced analytics. (I mean i am an islanders fan and they constantly do better than their projections). But jfresh's track record is very good, he is the only model i care about. My point is you obviously havent watched him if you think he hasnt played like a 1C


He’s a good 2C. Number one centers need to contribute more offensively in my opinion. I don’t know why everyone acts like I’m saying he should be in the coast whenever i say he’s a good 2C. A good 2C is a very good NHL hockey player.
Sep. 14 at 10:00 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
He’s a good 2C. Number one centers need to contribute more offensively in my opinion. I don’t know why everyone acts like I’m saying he should be in the coast whenever i say he’s a good 2C. A good 2C is a very good NHL hockey player.


I mean the last 3 seasons he was on pace for if he played 82 games
18-19 - 78 points
19-20 - 61 points
20-21 - 70 points

I just think you underrate him a little. Also the way you wrote your original post made it sound like hes just a regular 2C. He imo is beeter thought of as a 1A/1B type of player.
Sep. 14 at 10:04 p.m.
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Quoting: UBS_ARENA
I mean the last 3 seasons he was on pace for if he played 82 games
18-19 - 78 points
19-20 - 61 points
20-21 - 70 points

I just think you underrate him a little. Also the way you wrote your original post made it sound like hes just a regular 2C. He imo is beeter thought of as a 1A/1B type of player.


I looked it up for some other post, and among centers over the past two seasons he was 30th in points per game. I’m of the opinion that there aren’t 30 legit number 1 centers in the NHL (which is one reason why there are bad teams). He’s a good 2C. This A prospect, 1st, and another good piece price tag is craziness.
Sep. 14 at 10:11 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
I looked it up for some other post, and among centers over the past two seasons he was 30th in points per game. I’m of the opinion that there aren’t 30 legit number 1 centers in the NHL (which is one reason why there are bad teams). He’s a good 2C. This A prospect, 1st, and another good piece price tag is craziness.


I disagree. Also you have a point with bad teams wo 1Cs (ARI CBJ SEA) but there are also teams with multiple (EDM TOR). Now i dont either believe there are 32 1Cs the same way there arent 32 starters but i do believe just like by goalies there are 32 1Cs/tandems.
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Sep. 15 at 4:38 a.m.
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Quoting: Jupetto
Where do you read this?


I believe that was in an interview he did with a Czech newspaper a couple of weeks ago, but for the life of me I cannot find the link I used to the whole thing translated & it's behind a paywall. He has *definitely* indicated that he'd take less if he had confidence in the team winning.
 
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