What is that Rielly deal? You gotta pay to move Subban let alone acquire Rielly

Other than retaining salary, who else would we give?

Leaf fans are going to destroy you for the Rielly trade

Devils don't have to pay to move Subban at 4.5M

Toronto would never do that

It's really hard to see how someone could post an AGM like this in sincerity with how incredibly low the yam and Rielly returns are ultimately

Why would CBJ pay for johnsson rn

Maybe if NJ added they 4th it would work

Toronto's never gonna do that.
Wasteful to just toss Johnsson away like that.
McLeod is wasted on the wing.

At least you didn't put Zacha at center so that's a plus I guess.

Tbh I think the Oil might match if the 4.1m extends to 3 years like that. A one year deal would be more crippling (with ARB rights the next season), as it is known Yam is not worth 4.1 THIS season. But the chances Yam is worth 4.1 after a couple more seasons of experience are much much higher, as he has the smarts to become a very effective 2 way player if the high end offense doesn't kick in consistently.

Like KK, a one year salary jolt should be the most dangerous for the Oil.

I wouldn’t match if 3 years. As much as I like yams relentlessness his size I find concerning. We don’t know if he can be a consistent producer yet and worry that injuries could quickly pile up given his size and style of play he likes to be physical but is out matched every single time that can and will add up. At 4 million that’s just to much of a risk for me.

Just because there's some rumours out there by some writer in Boston that Toronto likes Subban, does not all of the sudden make Subban = Rielly.

IF (and that's a big if) they did have actual interest in Subban it would be because they could get him for next to nothing (not give up their best dman for him).

Bottom pair Dman at 4.5m, future considerations might be the ceiling.

I have it on authority that the leafs had zero interest in subban. That authority is a functioning brain.

I'd match, especially given the return is only a 2nd. Unlikely to flip that for a similar value player and with the difficulty of attracting UFAs to Edmonton I'd rather pay to keep Yam than what we'd get on the market for that salary. I'd prefer to sign him to a Dube type contract for 3 years but wouldn't let him walk for that. If we get into the next compensation bracket and a 1st and 3rd come into play, that's a different story. Also don't see our forward prospects being better than Yam for his spot in the next 2-3 years.

I mentioned this in another thread as well... with the number and quality of RFAs due new contracts in NJ over the next 2 seasons, it would be real dangerous to start playing that offer sheet game.

I believe these two things to be true:
(a) the return on one-year of Rielly would be less than many realize
(b) the return on one-year of Subban would be more than many realize

Yet, I think this trade heavily favors NJD.
NJD would likely need to add another worthwhile piece (that fits in Leafs cap).

Tippett manages Yamamoto's minutes to 18 or under and he is always banged up if not injured.

i think Yamamoto would be stupid to sign an offer sheet. If he sticks around 2 more years he could get a couple 60 point seasons, edmonton might give him a 5x5 contract he'd be looking at blake coleman money and he would establish himself as a top 6 player. He goes to another team and plays with just an average 2c and he will cement himself as third line RW because lets be honest he is a forechecker who is defensively responsible and can't finish goals.

Oilers won’t be in any position to offer sheet revenge. Matching this offer better hope Keith does retire early as this would severely complicate resigning jp and he’s a guy I’d be VERY concerned to leave open to an offer sheet. Letting go of yam doesn’t really hurt Edmonton. He’s an undersized defensive player that likes to hit above his weight class we have Archie who already does that and won’t cost 4+ million. I get we used a late first on him and getting a second in return sounds bad but that is a lot better than what can result from matching any offer like this.

I guess we have a different valuation of Yamamoto. I see a high-end complimentary winger that can slide up and down the right side. Size is an issue but he plays a great defensively responsible game. By my eye, last years 33 per 82 pace was much more bad luck than lack of production. He won't ever drive his own line but he's a good fit wherever you play him in the line-up. Keep in mind his PP time is minimal so he doesn't get the production boost of playing on the top powerplay in the league. Archibald (I like him as a role player) is a pure bottom 6 forward, not a comparable to Yam in my opinion. Good forechecker but doesn't have the higher end talent that Yamamoto has to read off of McDavid/Drai.

I hope to be proven wrong wouldn’t be the first time but yam resembles a lot more like an archie than a top six option. It’s nothing against him as a player I just question how much his size will impact his ceiling as a player.

He's a 2nd pairing defensemen. And only has 1 year left
If Risto got a 1st+, Subban, who outperformed Risto and is cheaper, why does Subban get only future considerations

Adam Larsson got Taylor hall so I guess the kraken should trade for Barzal right?

On the leafs he is 6/7. Absolutely no need for him when we have a logjam on defence.

I agree the Leafs don't need Subban, but Subban will get more than future considerations
Plus, Risto is a much more reasonable comparison to Subban than Hall is

Hall for Larsson is a prime example of how bad of a trade the flyers made. People always love to point at horrible trades when talking about the player they want to move.

If devils wait till TDL and find a desperate gm they may get more.

Difference is Risto and Subban are perfect comparables
Hall trade was 5 years ago, Risto trade was a couple months ago (different needs/markets)
Risto and Subban are both defensemen. Hall is a forward
Risto and Subban both have 1 year left on their contract. Hall had 3 years left.
Risto and Subban are both offensive defensemen
Risto and Subban are both making a similar amount. Risto making 5.3 and Subban making 4.5 once Devils retain 50%
Risto and Subban both regressed in the last few years. Hall was good at the time of the trade
Risto and Subban both are bad analytically (Subban better analytically)
Risto and Subban both had similar point totals last year. Hall had a great year before his trade
People always love to point out outlier trades when talking about a player they don't want

I don’t think you are understanding me. The Risto trade was horrible. A bad trade is a bad trade. You can’t hold a return for subban up to the scrutiny of dragging a gm down a dark alley and mugging them. Same goes for the Keith trade. The dummies made their moves and jersey missed out.