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Minor moves at TDL to make room

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Sep. 16, 2021 at 4:52 p.m.
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Probably just rather keep Boro and then trade him at the deadline for a 5th or something with retained salary
Sep. 16, 2021 at 6:37 p.m.
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I’d rather Nic Paul than Tierney.

At the deadline the Pens shouldn’t need a center. Sid will be/should be back by season opener or miss 1 week “they” are saying. Geno is gonna be out alittle longer but should definitely be back by the trade deadline.

And with Sid and Geno, the Pens have Sid, Geno, JeffCarter, and Blueger at Center. And Brian Boyle, E-Rod, Lafferty, and O’Connor can play Center in a pinch.

Without Sid and Geno lines will probably be.

Zucker/Carter/Kappy
Guentzel/E-Rod/Rust
ZAR/Blueger/McGinn
Henien/Boyle/?????
(Heinen can play both LW/RW as well, so that last spot will be b/ween Poulin, Legare, Hallander, O’Connor, Lafferty, D.Simon, Zohorna, Angello).

When Sid comes back:

Guentzel/Sid/Rust
Zucker/Geno/Kappy
ZAR/Blueger/McGinn
Heinen/Boyle/E-Rod

(Unless Pens sign a player, trade for a player, or a young player steps up and wins a roster spot).
Sep. 16, 2021 at 7:09 p.m.
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Crouse, Lawson
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Abramov, Vitaly [Reserve List]
Zaitsev, Nikita
2022 3rd round pick (BOS)

This is just silly, Crouse is not good, and the Zaitsev hate is ridiculous

BTW, Olle Alsing signed with Barys Nur-Sultan in the KHL
Sep. 16, 2021 at 10:07 p.m.
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Quoting: LetsGoPens69
I’d rather Nic Paul than Tierney.


Price would be totally different then. Tierney only has value with retention. Nick Paul will probably be very sought after, IF available but I think there's a good chance he re-signs with the Sens, unless he demands too much money
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Sep. 17, 2021 at 1:49 a.m.
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Quoting: LetsGoPens69
I’d rather Nic Paul than Tierney.

At the deadline the Pens shouldn’t need a center. Sid will be/should be back by season opener or miss 1 week “they” are saying. Geno is gonna be out alittle longer but should definitely be back by the trade deadline.

And with Sid and Geno, the Pens have Sid, Geno, JeffCarter, and Blueger at Center. And Brian Boyle, E-Rod, Lafferty, and O’Connor can play Center in a pinch.

Without Sid and Geno lines will probably be.

Zucker/Carter/Kappy
Guentzel/E-Rod/Rust
ZAR/Blueger/McGinn
Henien/Boyle/?????
(Heinen can play both LW/RW as well, so that last spot will be b/ween Poulin, Legare, Hallander, O’Connor, Lafferty, D.Simon, Zohorna, Angello).

When Sid comes back:

Guentzel/Sid/Rust
Zucker/Geno/Kappy
ZAR/Blueger/McGinn
Heinen/Boyle/E-Rod

(Unless Pens sign a player, trade for a player, or a young player steps up and wins a roster spot).


Getting Tierney could just move Carter to RW. Which is actually more necessary than Paul, who would play LW.

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Zucker-Malkin-Kapanen
Heinen-Tierney-Carter
ZAR-Blueger-McGinn
If you believe McGinn will play 4th line RW.
My lines would be
Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
McGinn-Malkin-Kapanen
Zucker-Tierney-Carter
ZAR-Blueger-Heinen
Heinen/McGinn being interchangeable. Whoever plays better plays on Malkin’s line. Whoever doesn’t plays on the 4th line. If Heinen doesn’t play well, he will likely be replaced by ERod anyway.
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Sep. 17, 2021 at 5:45 a.m.
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Give me Brännström for Bellows wink
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Sep. 17, 2021 at 11:44 a.m.
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Quoting: sensibleguy
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Crouse, Lawson
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Abramov, Vitaly [Reserve List]
Zaitsev, Nikita
2022 3rd round pick (BOS)

This is just silly, Crouse is not good, and the Zaitsev hate is ridiculous

BTW, Olle Alsing signed with Barys Nur-Sultan in the KHL


Firstly I never indicated I hate Zaitsev. The way I see the depth playing out along with managing a cap (and smaller internal cap thanks to melnyk) his contract will be a problem. Similar to White if he doesn't tur it around. I like Zaitsev and what he brings but as a 6th defenceman, its not feasible.

I think its a battle of Zub or Zaitsev in our top 4, which is a no debate in my opinion. Zub is way better defensively and will be great with Chabot this year. (A methot and karlsson type pairing).

After this year top 6 d are likely,
Chabot - Zub
Sanderson- Brannstrom
Del Zotto - JBD
(Thomson another year away).

4.5 mill for Zaitsev just doesn't fit. Plus the need to resign Stutzle (likely 7.5-9), Brannstrom (2.5-4.5), Norris (5-6.5), JBD and Formenton within the next two years.

Lawson Crouse needs a change of scenery, and brings a physical game you need. Kelly, Crookshank, and Greig all vying for spots which will mean Crouse is likely a filler for a half season or healthy scratch. I would also consider Dineen to bolster the AHL team destined for a run this year in replace of Crouse.

I am aware Alsing is in the KHL, but still gives them the rights. Boro doesn't have much value on last year of a deal and not playing a lot last year. I would add a 6th if needed. He brings leadership as an 8th dman next year and physicality DJ loves when they likely move on from J Brown and possibly flip Holden at the TDL.
Sep. 17, 2021 at 11:45 a.m.
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Give me Brännström for Bellows wink


I'm really interested to see how Brannstrom does this year. I think he is a great skater and lots of upside. Bellows and Brown both struggling, why not take the shot ?
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Sep. 17, 2021 at 12:17 p.m.
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Firstly I never indicated I hate Zaitsev. The way I see the depth playing out along with managing a cap (and smaller internal cap thanks to melnyk) his contract will be a problem. Similar to White if he doesn't tur it around. I like Zaitsev and what he brings but as a 6th defenceman, its not feasible.

I think its a battle of Zub or Zaitsev in our top 4, which is a no debate in my opinion. Zub is way better defensively and will be great with Chabot this year. (A methot and karlsson type pairing).

After this year top 6 d are likely,
Chabot - Zub
Sanderson- Brannstrom
Del Zotto - JBD
(Thomson another year away).

4.5 mill for Zaitsev just doesn't fit. Plus the need to resign Stutzle (likely 7.5-9), Brannstrom (2.5-4.5), Norris (5-6.5), JBD and Formenton within the next two years.

Lawson Crouse needs a change of scenery, and brings a physical game you need. Kelly, Crookshank, and Greig all vying for spots which will mean Crouse is likely a filler for a half season or healthy scratch. I would also consider Dineen to bolster the AHL team destined for a run this year in replace of Crouse.

I am aware Alsing is in the KHL, but still gives them the rights. Boro doesn't have much value on last year of a deal and not playing a lot last year. I would add a 6th if needed. He brings leadership as an 8th dman next year and physicality DJ loves when they likely move on from J Brown and possibly flip Holden at the TDL.


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Crouse, Lawson
ARI
Abramov, Vitaly [Reserve List]
Zaitsev, Nikita
2022 3rd round pick (BOS)

Crouse is approaching 300 games, where a players level of production has been established. Crouse has averaged 22 points per 82 games in his career, and was on a 21 point pace last season, which is below 4th line production. He's bad, and not worth a 3rd, and in fact, he's not worth Abramov one for one. Your trade is Abramov, AND a 3rd, AND Zaitsev for Crouse. You don't have to say you hate him, your trade says you hate him.

Now take Zaitsev out of the Senators lineup, and his $4.5MM contract, and the team is suddenly $7.7MM under the cap floor and the team will be forced to give Tkachuk more than they want to, which is not good. I'll explain why later. There's a reason the team has Zaitsev, White, and Murray, the three players that get the most flak for their contracts, they need them to not just get to the cap floor, but to get above it by enough to make trades that might lower their cap level.

Players high salaries are irrelevant when the team is so far below the cap ceiling. Zaitsev has a role on this team, and he's doing it better than any other current defenceman can, including Zub, or he wouldn't be utilized like he is.

NHL team salaries are complex, but just know, for now, Zaitsev, White, and Murray are needed not just as players, but for their contracts as well.

One last point, as mentioned earlier, over pay a player you are willing to trade, not the player you want to keep.
Sep. 17, 2021 at 4:22 p.m.
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Getting Tierney could just move Carter to RW. Which is actually more necessary than Paul, who would play LW.

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Zucker-Malkin-Kapanen
Heinen-Tierney-Carter
ZAR-Blueger-McGinn
If you believe McGinn will play 4th line RW.
My lines would be
Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
McGinn-Malkin-Kapanen
Zucker-Tierney-Carter
ZAR-Blueger-Heinen
Heinen/McGinn being interchangeable. Whoever plays better plays on Malkin’s line. Whoever doesn’t plays on the 4th line. If Heinen doesn’t play well, he will likely be replaced by ERod anyway.


We’ve talked about this..lol.

I don’t see McGinn all of a sudden being a top 6 winger. I see him playing with ZAR/Blueger/McGinn but playing 3rd line minutes.

Copy & paste.

“”The ice time and usage of McGinn in Pittsburgh will be an interesting one to watch. As an energy forward who is a solid PKer, he’s a natural to pencil into the role that Brandon Tanev has vacated. That brings about its own challenges, being as Tanev was always very good on the ice. McGinn at 27-years old with 345 NHL games under his belt is a known quantity, he’s not suddenly going to play 17 minutes a night or score 20 goals in a season, but he’s not really being placed in a role to do that.

At minimum he’s going to play good defense, and has been matched against top opposition. At best (like last year where his 8 goals in 37 games were on pace for 18 in a full 82 game season), McGinn can finish and chip in some offense. Twice he’s been a 10+ goal scorer in the NHL. Twice more he’s been on pace for it before shortened seasons have thwarted him. McGinn’s a player who probably scores 11-15 goals, around 30 points, throw a hit or two, kill some penalties and be a reasonably solid middle lineup forward for the Pens, just as Tanev was before him”.
Sep. 17, 2021 at 10:22 p.m.
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We’ve talked about this..lol.

I don’t see McGinn all of a sudden being a top 6 winger. I see him playing with ZAR/Blueger/McGinn but playing 3rd line minutes.

Copy & paste.

“”The ice time and usage of McGinn in Pittsburgh will be an interesting one to watch. As an energy forward who is a solid PKer, he’s a natural to pencil into the role that Brandon Tanev has vacated. That brings about its own challenges, being as Tanev was always very good on the ice. McGinn at 27-years old with 345 NHL games under his belt is a known quantity, he’s not suddenly going to play 17 minutes a night or score 20 goals in a season, but he’s not really being placed in a role to do that.

At minimum he’s going to play good defense, and has been matched against top opposition. At best (like last year where his 8 goals in 37 games were on pace for 18 in a full 82 game season), McGinn can finish and chip in some offense. Twice he’s been a 10+ goal scorer in the NHL. Twice more he’s been on pace for it before shortened seasons have thwarted him. McGinn’s a player who probably scores 11-15 goals, around 30 points, throw a hit or two, kill some penalties and be a reasonably solid middle lineup forward for the Pens, just as Tanev was before him”.


That’s not even the point of the response lol. I’m glad you have your thoughts and you believe some bloggers lol. Again I’ll take McGinn, Sullivan, and managements word for it. You continue to take some bloggers word for it. The point of the matter is that Tierney would absolutely be worth this and Paul would be a waste. We need center/RW. Tierney gives us both as he’d play center and move Carter to RW. That was literally the WHOLE POINT of the response. I even give you an example of the lineup with McGinn playing the 4th line with ZAR and Blueger ffs 🤦‍♂️
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Sep. 18, 2021 at 3:19 p.m.
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Quoting: sensibleguy
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Crouse, Lawson
ARI
Abramov, Vitaly [Reserve List]
Zaitsev, Nikita
2022 3rd round pick (BOS)

Crouse is approaching 300 games, where a players level of production has been established. Crouse has averaged 22 points per 82 games in his career, and was on a 21 point pace last season, which is below 4th line production. He's bad, and not worth a 3rd, and in fact, he's not worth Abramov one for one. Your trade is Abramov, AND a 3rd, AND Zaitsev for Crouse. You don't have to say you hate him, your trade says you hate him.

Now take Zaitsev out of the Senators lineup, and his $4.5MM contract, and the team is suddenly $7.7MM under the cap floor and the team will be forced to give Tkachuk more than they want to, which is not good. I'll explain why later. There's a reason the team has Zaitsev, White, and Murray, the three players that get the most flak for their contracts, they need them to not just get to the cap floor, but to get above it by enough to make trades that might lower their cap level.

Players high salaries are irrelevant when the team is so far below the cap ceiling. Zaitsev has a role on this team, and he's doing it better than any other current defenceman can, including Zub, or he wouldn't be utilized like he is.

NHL team salaries are complex, but just know, for now, Zaitsev, White, and Murray are needed not just as players, but for their contracts as well.

One last point, as mentioned earlier, over pay a player you are willing to trade, not the player you want to keep.


Im enjoying the exchange, thank you!

The title of the trade says TDL moves. Therefore in a 200 day season moving the player at the deadline, OTT would retain a higher percentage of the cap hit vs the receiving team. They would start the season above the cap as it stands now once Brady signs. His cap hit additionally will out weigh the difference of Zaitsev being moved later in the season, keeping Ottawa above the cap floor. If your argument is predicated solely on points for not liking Crouse, that doesn't seem to have much weight. Watson, Wagner, Nash among others are viable 4th liners who have similar or lower PPG in the NHL than Crouse. I am merely bringing his 1/3 salary back in a trade for half a season. If he continues a downward trend then you move on. He can make hits, block shots and even be scratched some nights. I think you're missing the point of the trade.

Zaitsev the player again I do not hate, I merely think his cap hit is the issue with money being handed to Norris, Brannstrom, Formenton and likely another legitmate top 6 fwd in the near future. The 3rd is to compensate ARZ for taking the player with OTT NOT retaining any salary. Abramov is merely for rights and a throw in. He will play in the KHL and maybe have a shot again 2 years from now. I don't think he fits the Ottawa mold. I have FIlatov vibes. Harder worker but struggles to establish himself as a bottom 6 forward. There are too many quality prospects ahead of him now in Greig, Crookshank, Kelly, and Formenton that force his role in Ottawa to be that. Therefore he is expendable in my view.

Nobody but the two camps involved know the money Tkachuk is wanting. I like many suspect its in the 7.5-8 mill range. Again deducting Zaitsev salary at 1/3rd by the TDL is not going to put you below the cap. Murray is a separate topic, but being signed at 4 yrs 6.25 million per was NOT to get to the cap and provide trade wiggle room. Dorion firmly believes he can back stop a contending team and stability to a team trying to move out of a rebuild while the goalie prospects are not rushed. If he was getting to the cap, he would not have exceeded 2 years in term IMO. Ottawa by next season regardless of how low below the cap will certainly get to the floor to avoid penalties. (Unnecessary money throwing away is not a Melnyk thing as we all know) We also don't know how long before the cap ceiling starts to rise. Plus not many know the internal cap ceiling Dorion has to work with again emphasizing Zaitsev money by next season as a 6th dman behind Chabot, Zub, Brannstrom, Sanderson, JBD being too much even if you have room.

And bringing up White, I like the player but if he doesn't continue to produce I wonder if that money gets moved while others need pay days and pass him on the depth chart.

Regardless go sens go and appreciate your perspective. Cheers!
 
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