Three NJ Trade proposals I wish would go away

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Created by: Opie

Team: 2021-22 New Jersey Devils

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 16, 2021

Published: Sep. 19, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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QHughes: Doesn't make sense for either team. Vancouver has absolutely no reason to move him & therefore, NJ would need to overpay to such a degree that it would strip NJ of the very prospects they need to move forward.

Eichel: Why take a chance on his neck (& contract), when they have Hughes & Hischier? Is he a better player, sure ... but again, why take that risk at this point in NJs rebuild? Additionally, the asking price, similar to the case with QHughes, strips NJ of the prospects they need.

Subban (going anywhere): There is only $2 mil left on his contract. At that price, he's a tremendous value & a real asset with the match ups he will now receive on the third pair. There really is no reason for NJ to move him prior to trade deadline, save for an insane overpay. All proposals I see are for a middling return. Trading PK early in the season just doesn't make any sense for NJ.

Trades

NJD

Eichel, Jack

BUF

NJD

TOR

Subban, P.K.

NJD

Hughes, Quinn [RFA Rights]

VAN

Buyouts

Cory Schneider: $2,000,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Will Butcher: $910,569 (24.39%)

Recapture Fees

Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$81,500,000	$70,332,235	$0	$3,250,000	$11,167,765

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Zacha, Pavel $2,250,000$2,250,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Hischier, Nico $7,250,000$7,250,000 C UFA - 6	Bratt, Jesper $2,750,000$2,750,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Tatar, Tomas $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Hughes, Jack $925,000$925,000 ($2,850,000$3M) C UFA - 1	Sharangovich, Yegor $2,000,000$2,000,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 2
Kuokkanen, Janne $1,825,000$1,825,000 LW, C UFA - 2		Johnsson, Andreas $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
	Boqvist, Jesper $925,000$925,000 C, LW RFA - 1	Studenic, Marian $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Wood, Miles $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW UFA - 1	McLeod, Michael $975,000$975,000 C RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Smith, Ty $863,333$863,333 ($400,000$400K) LD/RD RFA - 2	Hamilton, Dougie $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 7	Blackwood, Mackenzie $2,800,000$2,800,000 G UFA - 2
Graves, Ryan $3,166,667$3,166,667 LD UFA - 2	Severson, Damon $4,166,666$4,166,666 RD UFA - 2	Bernier, Jonathan $4,125,000$4,125,000 G UFA - 2
Siegenthaler, Jonas $1,125,000$1,125,000 LD UFA - 2		Wedgewood, Scott $825,000$825,000 G UFA - 1
	Jaros, Christian $800,000$800,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Eichel, Jack $10,000,000$10,000,000 C UFA - 5

Sep. 19, 2021 at 10:52 p.m.

Devil

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Sep. 19, 2021 at 11:14 p.m.

NJDevils1317

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Can we at the VERY least agree to stop the Subban trades until SOMEWHAT closer to the deadline when the team knows they are in or out?

Sep. 19, 2021 at 11:15 p.m.

CheechYou

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Meier to NJD for Holtz not even an honorable mention? 😉

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Sep. 19, 2021 at 11:18 p.m.

jnowariak

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Even if Subban only makes 2 mil, you can’t just wish away a 9 mil cap hit. He’s got far less value than you think, otherwise he would already be in Arizona or Ottawa.

Sep. 19, 2021 at 11:32 p.m.

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Quoting: jnowariak

Even if Subban only makes 2 mil, you can’t just wish away a 9 mil cap hit. He’s got far less value than you think, otherwise he would already be in Arizona or Ottawa.

this. the teams buying at the deadline are often right up against the cap. even at 50% retained he’s still 4.5mil.

Sep. 19, 2021 at 11:34 p.m.

Opie

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Quoting: CheechYou

Meier to NJD for Holtz not even an honorable mention? 😉

Forgot about that Meier trade and his crap contract. That one needs to go on the list too.

Sep. 19, 2021 at 11:37 p.m.

Opie

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Quoting: bagelbob

this. the teams buying at the deadline are often right up against the cap. even at 50% retained he’s still 4.5mil.

The cap is irrelevant for NJ, they don't need or want to wish it away. The point is, at $2 mil & on the third pair, he's a fantastic value in NJ ... no reason to trade him (until the deadline & even then, only if they are out of the playoffs)

Sep. 19, 2021 at 11:40 p.m.

Opie

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Quoting: jnowariak

Even if Subban only makes 2 mil, you can’t just wish away a 9 mil cap hit. He’s got far less value than you think, otherwise he would already be in Arizona or Ottawa.

The point is that they would want to keep him. The cap is irrelevant to NJ.

Sep. 19, 2021 at 11:41 p.m.

jnowariak

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Quoting: Opie

It’s one thing to say they shouldn’t trade him but it’s another to say that he’s valuable. He brings the value of a 2 mil defender at this point and it would take double retention to get him there.

They absolutely should just keep him.

PS, value comes from cap not in how much a billionaire has to pay him.

Sep. 20, 2021 at 12:20 a.m.

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Quoting: jnowariak

Lol, not all NHL owners would agree with you.

Sep. 20, 2021 at 10:34 a.m.

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subban is the opposite of tremendous value

Sep. 20, 2021 at 1:25 p.m.

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Quoting: vr1995

subban is the opposite of tremendous value

There seems to be quite a bit of Subban hate out there ... makes me wonder if any of these people saw him play last year.
Its true that he is nowhere near the player he was, but once you accept him for the player he is today, you will see a highly competent, NHL level defenseman. That is far more than you can say for many other blueliners is this league.
On a third pair, he will be a tremendous asset.

Sep. 20, 2021 at 2:29 p.m.

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Quoting: Opie

a 9.5m 3rd pairing d is not an asset

Sep. 20, 2021 at 10:30 p.m.

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Quoting: vr1995

a 9.5m 3rd pairing d is not an asset

He makes $2 mil this season.

Sep. 21, 2021 at 9:14 a.m.

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vr1995

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Quoting: Opie

He makes $2 mil this season.

who counts for 9.5 against the cap

Sep. 21, 2021 at 3:57 p.m.

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Quoting: vr1995

who counts for 9.5 against the cap

Irrelevant for NJ. This is about winning games not trade value. Paying a third pair defenseman $2 mil for his level of play is highly valuable.

Sep. 21, 2021 at 4:48 p.m.

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Quoting: Opie

Irrelevant for NJ. This is about winning games not trade value. Paying a third pair defenseman $2 mil for his level of play is highly valuable.

irrelevant to nj but relevant to any team that would trade for him,

cap is more important than actual money for a team that would trade for him

Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:28 p.m.

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Quoting: vr1995

irrelevant to nj but relevant to any team that would trade for him,

cap is more important than actual money for a team that would trade for him

True, but the post was about why they shouldn't trade him.

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