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Three NJ Trade proposals I wish would go away

Created by: Opie
Initial Creation Date: Sep 16, 2021
Published: Sep 19 at 10:48
Team: 2021-22 New Jersey Devils
Team Explanation
QHughes: Doesn't make sense for either team. Vancouver has absolutely no reason to move him & therefore, NJ would need to overpay to such a degree that it would strip NJ of the very prospects they need to move forward.

Eichel: Why take a chance on his neck (& contract), when they have Hughes & Hischier? Is he a better player, sure ... but again, why take that risk at this point in NJs rebuild? Additionally, the asking price, similar to the case with QHughes, strips NJ of the prospects they need.

Subban (going anywhere): There is only $2 mil left on his contract. At that price, he's a tremendous value & a real asset with the match ups he will now receive on the third pair. There really is no reason for NJ to move him prior to trade deadline, save for an insane overpay. All proposals I see are for a middling return. Trading PK early in the season just doesn't make any sense for NJ.
Trades
NJD
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
    NJD
      TOR
      1. Subban, P.K.
      NJD
      1. Hughes, Quinn [RFA Rights]
      VAN
        Buyouts
        • Cory Schneider: $2,000,000
        Retained Salary Transactions
        • Will Butcher: $910,569 (24%)
        Recapture Fees
        • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
        DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
        2022
        NJD
        NJD
        NJD
        NJD
        EDM
        NYI
        CBJ
        NJD
        NJD
        2023
        NJD
        NJD
        NJD
        NJD
        NJD
        NJD
        NJD
        2024
        NJD
        NJD
        NJD
        NJD
        NJD
        NJD
        NJD
        ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
        21$81,500,000$70,332,235$0$3,250,000$11,167,765
        Left WingCenterRight Wing
        NJD
        Zacha, Pavel
        $2,250,000
        LW, C
        RFA - 1
        NJD
        Hischier, Nico
        $7,250,000
        C
        UFA - 6
        NJD
        Bratt, Jesper
        $2,750,000
        LW, RW
        RFA - 1
        NJD
        Tatar, Tomas
        $4,500,000
        LW, RW
        UFA - 2
        NJD
        Hughes, Jack
        $925,000
        C
        RFA - 1
        NJD
        Sharangovich, Yegor
        $2,000,000
        RW, LW, C
        RFA - 2
        NJD
        Kuokkanen, Janne
        $1,825,000
        LW, C
        RFA - 2
        NJD
        Boqvist, Jesper
        $925,000
        C, LW, RW
        RFA - 1
        NJD
        Johnsson, Andreas
        $3,400,000
        LW, RW
        UFA - 2
        NJD
        Wood, Miles
        $2,750,000
        LW
        RFA - 1
        NJD
        Mcleod, Michael
        $975,000
        C
        RFA - 2
        NJD
        Studenic, Marian
        $750,000
        RW
        RFA - 1
        Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
        NJD
        Smith, Ty
        $863,333
        LD/RD
        RFA - 2
        NJD
        Hamilton, Dougie
        $9,000,000
        RD
        NMC
        UFA - 7
        NJD
        Blackwood, Mackenzie
        $2,800,000
        G
        RFA - 2
        NJD
        Graves, Ryan
        $3,166,667
        LD
        UFA - 2
        NJD
        Severson, Damon
        $4,166,666
        RD
        UFA - 2
        NJD
        Bernier, Jonathan
        $4,125,000
        G
        UFA - 2
        NJD
        Siegenthaler, Jonas
        $1,125,000
        LD
        RFA - 2
        NJD
        Jaros, Christian
        $800,000
        RD
        RFA - 1
        NJD
        Wedgewood, Scott
        $825,000
        G
        UFA - 1
        ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
        BUF
        Eichel, Jack
        $10,000,000
        C
        UFA - 5

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        Sep 19 at 10:52
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        MERCER SZN
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        Sep 19 at 11:14
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        Can we at the VERY least agree to stop the Subban trades until SOMEWHAT closer to the deadline when the team knows they are in or out?
        Sep 19 at 11:15
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        Meier to NJD for Holtz not even an honorable mention? 😉
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        Sep 19 at 11:18
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        Even if Subban only makes 2 mil, you can’t just wish away a 9 mil cap hit. He’s got far less value than you think, otherwise he would already be in Arizona or Ottawa.
        Sep 19 at 11:32
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        Quoting: jnowariak
        Even if Subban only makes 2 mil, you can’t just wish away a 9 mil cap hit. He’s got far less value than you think, otherwise he would already be in Arizona or Ottawa.


        this. the teams buying at the deadline are often right up against the cap. even at 50% retained he’s still 4.5mil.
        Sep 19 at 11:34
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        Quoting: CheechYou
        Meier to NJD for Holtz not even an honorable mention? 😉


        Forgot about that Meier trade and his crap contract. That one needs to go on the list too.
        Sep 19 at 11:37
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        Quoting: bagelbob
        this. the teams buying at the deadline are often right up against the cap. even at 50% retained he’s still 4.5mil.


        The cap is irrelevant for NJ, they don't need or want to wish it away. The point is, at $2 mil & on the third pair, he's a fantastic value in NJ ... no reason to trade him (until the deadline & even then, only if they are out of the playoffs)
        Sep 19 at 11:40
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        Quoting: jnowariak
        Even if Subban only makes 2 mil, you can’t just wish away a 9 mil cap hit. He’s got far less value than you think, otherwise he would already be in Arizona or Ottawa.


        The point is that they would want to keep him. The cap is irrelevant to NJ.
        Sep 19 at 11:41
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        Quoting: Opie
        The cap is irrelevant for NJ, they don't need or want to wish it away. The point is, at $2 mil & on the third pair, he's a fantastic value in NJ ... no reason to trade him (until the deadline & even then, only if they are out of the playoffs)


        It’s one thing to say they shouldn’t trade him but it’s another to say that he’s valuable. He brings the value of a 2 mil defender at this point and it would take double retention to get him there.

        They absolutely should just keep him.

        PS, value comes from cap not in how much a billionaire has to pay him.
        Sep 20 at 12:20
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        Quoting: jnowariak
        It’s one thing to say they shouldn’t trade him but it’s another to say that he’s valuable. He brings the value of a 2 mil defender at this point and it would take double retention to get him there.

        They absolutely should just keep him.

        PS, value comes from cap not in how much a billionaire has to pay him.


        Lol, not all NHL owners would agree with you.
        Sep 20 at 10:34
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        subban is the opposite of tremendous value
        Sep 20 at 1:25
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        Quoting: vr1995
        subban is the opposite of tremendous value


        There seems to be quite a bit of Subban hate out there ... makes me wonder if any of these people saw him play last year.
        Its true that he is nowhere near the player he was, but once you accept him for the player he is today, you will see a highly competent, NHL level defenseman. That is far more than you can say for many other blueliners is this league.
        On a third pair, he will be a tremendous asset.
        Sep 20 at 2:29
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        Quoting: Opie
        There seems to be quite a bit of Subban hate out there ... makes me wonder if any of these people saw him play last year.
        Its true that he is nowhere near the player he was, but once you accept him for the player he is today, you will see a highly competent, NHL level defenseman. That is far more than you can say for many other blueliners is this league.
        On a third pair, he will be a tremendous asset.


        a 9.5m 3rd pairing d is not an asset
        Sep 20 at 10:30
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        Quoting: vr1995
        a 9.5m 3rd pairing d is not an asset


        He makes $2 mil this season.
        Sep 21 at 9:14
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        Quoting: Opie
        He makes $2 mil this season.


        who counts for 9.5 against the cap
        Sep 21 at 3:57
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        Quoting: vr1995
        who counts for 9.5 against the cap


        Irrelevant for NJ. This is about winning games not trade value. Paying a third pair defenseman $2 mil for his level of play is highly valuable.
        Sep 21 at 4:48
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        Quoting: Opie
        Irrelevant for NJ. This is about winning games not trade value. Paying a third pair defenseman $2 mil for his level of play is highly valuable.


        irrelevant to nj but relevant to any team that would trade for him,

        cap is more important than actual money for a team that would trade for him
        Sep 21 at 5:28
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        Quoting: vr1995
        irrelevant to nj but relevant to any team that would trade for him,

        cap is more important than actual money for a team that would trade for him


        True, but the post was about why they shouldn't trade him.
         
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