No way kings do that

I wouldn't trade Kaliyev for Rust 1-for-1.

The Hawks aren't doing this. You might think they only have 1 LD, but Kalynuk was the #1 LD over Keith last year and Phillip Kruashev is VERY highlight ranked in the Hawks system. Link below. Many bloggers (yes bloggers and they're just opinions) have him ranked higher than Reichel as of today. No, you can't insert Reichel either.

https://www.secondcityhockey.com/2021/9/14/22672822/2021-chicago-blackhawks-prospect-rankings-top-25-under-25-philipp-kurashev-4-analysis-outlook

are you saying that seth jones and connor murphy are not top 4 defensemen?

seth jones is a RD

yes but you said that they only had mccabe as a top 4 dman, which i assume means you think jones and murphy are not.

i meant top 4 LD

Rust is nine years older than Kaliyev and has 5 times the cap hit. With or without an extension, we wouldn't be exchanging them, let alone including a first-round draft pick (even an over-the-horizon one).

Do I need to post De Hanns player card again?

Dehann is not a legit top 4 dman

But neither is Marcus Pettersson with this logic.

Except he is.

Same with DeHaan

Not really

Same with Pettersson.

I'll cut to the chase. They're too similar to be proclaiming one is head and shoulder over the other. DeHaan's contract is a little higher, he's older, and his injury history is very real. So, if you talking in terms of of asset value in a trade....I can more see where you're coming from....TBD on the term for MP though. If you talking about the ability to play the #2LD...they're too similar.

By the way, I actually have DeHaan on the 3rd pair RD on my roster. Kalynk the #1LD for the hawks and Stillman the #3LD. Divide up the experience with the young blood.

That's what I would do with my lines

Since I don’t watch the pens very much, I think using Jfresh’s advanced stats visualization cards works well to fill in the gaps that I don’t know about certain players. It’s absolutely fair to question these cards if you have a good understanding of advanced stats and can argue as to why they are an incomplete evaluation of a player.

Anyways, now that the disclaimer is over here’s what the cards basically say and a Link to view them.

De Hann is a average- above average top 4 D man, he struggled on a bad hawks PK, and like Exo said he has injury concerns and is slightly higher paid than Pettersson.

Pettersson is an average-above average 4-6 D man, or at the very least he plays third pair minutes without much exposure to PK or PP. He’s younger, but you have to bet big on him realizing top 4 potential which he is already getting paid as.

In any case, De Hann is a good Top 4 D by advanced stats when he is healthy enough to play.

Pettersson played 3rd pairing defenseman minutes because of how good Matheson and Ceci played. That goes for Marino too. Everyone said he had a down year cause he wasnt as good offensively. Him and Pettersson were playing 3rd pairing minutes because Matheson and Ceci were doing really good. Pettersson is a legit top 4 defenseman. Put Dehann on alot of other teams and he would be playing 3rd pair.

Hawks aren't touching this, Petterson is a fringe #4 d guy and a 3rd pairing on a solid D team. Hawks have McCabe, Murphy, Jones and De Haan in the top 4. I doubt he's going to displace De Haan, but maybe. Regardless, I'll take Kurashev straight up...he's played a 1/2 season in the NHL at age 21 and has a very bright future as a two way guy.

Pettersson played 3rd pairing defenseman minutes because of how good Matheson and Ceci played. That goes for Marino too. Everyone said he had a down year cause he wasnt as good offensively. Him and Pettersson were playing 3rd pairing minutes because Matheson and Ceci were doing really good. Pettersson is a legit top 4 defenseman. Put Dehann on alot of other teams and he would be playing 3rd pair.

Again, a lateral move from De Haan so no way the Hawks give up Kurashev for him even straight up and Ceci is not that good

Had a good year and was underrated because of his cap 2 years ago. Everyone that gets traded to PIT always ends up having a good year or bounce back