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Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 21, 2021
Published: Sep. 21, 2021
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LAK Center Depth as per Elite Prospects:
-Kopitar
-Danault
-Kempe
-Anthinasiou
-Vlardi
-Byfield
-Kupari
-JAD
-Turcotte
-Akil Thomas
-Lias Anderson
-Lizzotte
-Madden


That's not all their Centers just the one's that are NHL capable or will be in the next 2-4 years.
I figure after Committing to Danault with a 3 year NMC and Kopitar 3 years left with a 7 team trade list which says atleast for the next 3 years the top 6 is locked up

Not all those Centers can play wing until then and all will be done their ELC's by then so they cant all stay no matter which way you slice it. ANA like with their D 5 years ago develops strong depth at a single position after mass drafting players there for a few years and developing them well on 2 AHL teams (1 USA , 1 Canadian)

My point is Turcotte isnt untouchable
But he isnt going to be given away either as LAK hold all the leverage

Primeau -Top 10 Goalie Prospect 23 or under (ranked 9th i think)
Ghule- Top D prospect in our system
1st round pick in 2023(top 3 protected)
3rd round pick in 2022 - Conditional 3rd becomes a 2nd if Turcotte starts 50+ games this year(unlikely but could happen)

For

Turcotte
Lias Anderson
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,500,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Andersson, Lias
  2. Turcotte, Alex
Additional Details:
Turcotte is a big piece behind bigger pieces and they cant all have the job with AK/PD signed with NMC for 3 years when every Center Prospects ELC's will be done

That said it doesnt have to be Turcotte
Vlardi,Byfield or even Kupari are just as Desirable if not more.

Lias Anderson can be pretty much any AHL level call up prospect.
I just took him as his value was lowest but id take Lizotte ,Tkachyov,Clague or Durzi it really doesnt matter
LAK
  1. Guhle, Kaiden
  2. Lehkonen, Artturi ($750,000 retained)
  3. Primeau, Cayden
  4. 2022 3rd round pick (MTL)
  5. 2023 1st round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
-Conditional 3rd becomes a 2nd if Turcotte plays 50 games in 2021-22 season before the 2022 draft.
-Lehnkonen at 1.45m RS for the purpose of making flipping to a contender at the TDL easier if he dosnt fit into their plans
2.
MTL
ARI
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. Vejdemo, Lukas
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
  4. 2024 3rd round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
Cap Dump
About what ARZ took for Ladd who was 2m more per year on the same term(two 2nds and a conditional 3rd if Ladd is in the AHL this year or retires)

Unlike Ladd theres no doubt Byron will play in the NHL this season and he can be retained and trade at this or next years TDL for a profit where Ladd cannot
Buyouts
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2022
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2023
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23$81,500,000$66,462,102$597,561$1,475,000$15,037,898
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NMC
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Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:00 p.m.
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I dont see the kings moving Turcotte. Him and Byfield will become 1a 1b for a long time.
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Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:06 p.m.
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The Kings already have cal Peterson, why would they trade a top prospect for a goalie?
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Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:13 p.m.
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Imagine if Waddell offer sheeted Turcotte next year

Like homer simpson eating chips

And the baby greyhounds jump stealing them
Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:14 p.m.
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MTL 2023 1st a sneaky big asset 👀
Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:17 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
The Kings already have cal Peterson, why would they trade a top prospect for a goalie?


since when does 27 qualify as a Prospect?
By the time Primeaus ready to Start at the NHL Peterson will be almost 30

Who's the next man up after Peterson ?
Is he better then Primeau?
Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:18 p.m.
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since when does 27 qualify as a Prospect?
By the time Primeaus ready to Start at the NHL Peterson will be almost 30

Who's the next man up after Peterson ?
Is he better then Primeau?


I never called Peterson a prospect.

I remember Habs fans crowing that Lindgren was going to be an all star
Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Radu47
Imagine if Waddell offer sheeted Turcotte next year

Like homer simpson eating chips

And the baby greyhounds jump stealing them


Turcotte isn't a RFA until 2024.
Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
since when does 27 qualify as a Prospect?
By the time Primeaus ready to Start at the NHL Peterson will be almost 30

Who's the next man up after Peterson ?
Is he better then Primeau?


Goaltending isn't a position of imminent concern for LA. They have Villalta, Ingham, and Parik in the AHL right now, none of whom project to be all-stars, but at least one of which will likely be a capable NHL backup. They still have Quick for another two seasons, and they're perfectly comfortable with him as the backup as well.

The two positions of concern for the Kings are top six wing and LHD. If someone offered up a top line winger or #2 LHD in the 21-25 age range, then I could see the Kings moving one of their quality prospects. I could see something built around Vilardi for Romanov+, but aside from that, unless Caufield makes his way to the trade block, I don't see the Kings and Habs as viable trade partners.
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Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Radu47
Imagine if Waddell offer sheeted Turcotte next year

Like homer simpson eating chips

And the baby greyhounds jump stealing them


You even looked at their Cap projection after adding KK?
If they sign him and Necas with term their top 5 forward core is locked up Svechnikov,Aho,Tuerovinen,KK and Necas with 33/82m minimum required
Another 14.5m in D invested with term for 47.5/82m with 14 other players to account for with 34.5m/82 left with 16.5m tied up in Staal,Gardinar,Anderson and Ranta
So realistically you got 18.5m to sign 10 players or keep Nino,Trochek,Martinook,Fast,Deangelo ,ext

Thats if Necas doesnt push for more then a matched Cap hit to KK OS reward
If he does that then their in a bit of trouble

MTL has Byron gone , Drouin with 2 years left , Chiarot and Kulak with 1 year
Thats an extra 10.8m not including the cap cleared moving Byron out or that Lehkonen is unlike to return (2.4m to match its easier to invest that in Suzuki/Romanov/Caufield)

Easily sign Suzuki for 7m on a 6-7 year deal im sure but if not we'll be getting a huge return on OS of 2x firsts ,1x second & 1x third
That leaves Romanov enough cap between moving Byron , the 3.8m left from UFA's and letting Lehkonen go if need be to match any OS on Romanov.
Caufield would be tricky but moving out any RW behind him clears enough cap as long as he doesnt have a 30-40 goal break out season

MTL has options even if we add Turcotte as his ELC isnt up for 3 years
By that time Carey Price is only has 2 years left and if we havent won a cup yet will be looking to leave for a contender anyways
IF not Edmunston, Hoffman and Toffoli's deals will be up giving us another 12.25m to work with

CAR needs to worry about CAR
They went all in on KK now they either got to pay him or left him walk a UFA
(no one's taking a trade on him at that cap if he struggles this season)
Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:43 p.m.
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Vilardi and Lizotte for Romanov and the top-3 protected 2022 first (not 2023) could work. Guhle is too far from the NHL to make the posted trade interesting.
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Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:44 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I never called Peterson a prospect.

I remember Habs fans crowing that Lindgren was going to be an all star


I'm not the Jesus Christ of Habs fans here to die on a Cross for their sins of Ignorance lol
Can we just focus on Statements i've made rather then trying to paint me with some kind of Prejudice you've formed based on some random habs fan

I mean im not going around crapping on Seinfeld fans because you trolled me
I dont project onto others based on something they didnt do
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Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:49 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Goaltending isn't a position of imminent concern for LA. They have Villalta, Ingham, and Parik in the AHL right now, none of whom project to be all-stars, but at least one of which will likely be a capable NHL backup. They still have Quick for another two seasons, and they're perfectly comfortable with him as the backup as well.

The two positions of concern for the Kings are top six wing and LHD. If someone offered up a top line winger or #2 LHD in the 21-25 age range, then I could see the Kings moving one of their quality prospects. I could see something built around Vilardi for Romanov+, but aside from that, unless Caufield makes his way to the trade block, I don't see the Kings and Habs as viable trade partners.


Yeah sad truth is we dont really have either to offer

I mean i'd offer up Romanov but i just dont see it being enough as he's a bottom 4 D not top 4 D prospect
Really the only player we got on Wing fitting that Description is Caufield who we wont give up

Is there a NHL Winger out there that's LAK covets?
Lets say a Patrick Laine or Clayton Keller type
Sep. 21, 2021 at 5:53 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Vilardi and Lizotte for Romanov and the top-3 protected 2022 first (not 2023) could work. Guhle is too far from the NHL to make the posted trade interesting.


I'd do that one Easy
I like Romanov but we can let Kulak play stop gap for a year
Norlinder or Ghule will be ready by then to battle with Harris who's finishing NCAA this year

We love Romanov but Vlardi is the Power Center we were hoping for in KK
If we can replace that outright then deal
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Sep. 21, 2021 at 6:12 p.m.
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Yeah sad truth is we dont really have either to offer

I mean i'd offer up Romanov but i just dont see it being enough as he's a bottom 4 D not top 4 D prospect
Really the only player we got on Wing fitting that Description is Caufield who we wont give up

Is there a NHL Winger out there that's LAK covets?
Lets say a Patrick Laine or Clayton Keller type


I can see them with interest in Kevin Fiala. Travis Konecny is intriguing as well.

I could also see them interested in Filip Forsberg, but likely only through free agency. He's a bit older than what the Kings are looking for, so I can't see LA giving up top-tier assets for him.

Outside of that, There's no one that is realistically acquirable that the Kings would want. Otherwise I'd add guys like Roope Hintz and Jason Robertson to the list.
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Sep. 21, 2021 at 6:17 p.m.
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Habs have excellent LHD prospects coming up. I wouldn't mind giving up Guhle.

If Turcotte could pan out to be a two way 2C to play behind Suzuki this would be an awesome deal for habs.
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Sep. 21, 2021 at 6:22 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
I can see them with interest in Kevin Fiala. Travis Konecny is intriguing as well.

I could also see them interested in Filip Forsberg, but likely only through free agency. He's a bit older than what the Kings are looking for, so I can't see LA giving up top-tier assets for him.

Outside of that, There's no one that is realistically acquirable that the Kings would want. Otherwise I'd add guys like Roope Hintz and Jason Robertson to the list.


Koenechy is doable
Fiala is likely the easiest to grab though

only downside is MTL would probably rather Koenechy over Turcotte


I guess from another Angle would be to tackle Kupari , JAD or Akil Thomas
Vlardi,Byfield and Turcotte seem to be to expensive
1/3 in Kupari,JAD or Akil Thomas will likely be cheaper and a worth while investment
NHL,AHL and Junior level so something tells me JAD or Kupari will be dealt before Akil Thomas
Of those two im assuming JAD is likely the most expendable ?
Sep. 21, 2021 at 6:36 p.m.
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Quoting: MarcBergevin69
Habs have excellent LHD prospects coming up. I wouldn't mind giving up Guhle.

If Turcotte could pan out to be a two way 2C to play behind Suzuki this would be an awesome deal for habs.



i think he could
It just seems the price on him is still to far off for some fans
It seems to be the wrong pieces even though the value's there


Vlardi at this point is the least expensive of the big 3 it seems (opposite of what i though Vlardi then Byfield and Turcotte)
Im just trying to find the cheapest of their Center Depth Prospects they'd move.

Turcotte makes sense as he played with Caufield on Team USA and NCAA as his Center.(2nd line Center potential 1st as he matures)
Vlardi is the Power Center we lost in KK but better (middle 6)
JAD is more a Danault type who's got higher upside then Danault was projected to have(more of a 3rd line Center or middle 6 Winger)
Kupari actually reminds me a lot of Aho but with a big frame to hold off checkers(Top 6 Upside but likely Middle 6 Projection)
Thomas is a good depth Leader type like Lars Eller (Bottom 6 Center Leader kinda like Eller or Cullen)
Sep. 21, 2021 at 6:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
Koenechy is doable
Fiala is likely the easiest to grab though

only downside is MTL would probably rather Koenechy over Turcotte


I guess from another Angle would be to tackle Kupari , JAD or Akil Thomas
Vlardi,Byfield and Turcotte seem to be to expensive
1/3 in Kupari,JAD or Akil Thomas will likely be cheaper and a worth while investment
NHL,AHL and Junior level so something tells me JAD or Kupari will be dealt before Akil Thomas
Of those two im assuming JAD is likely the most expendable ?


They're not really comparable players.

Kupari is a speedy skilled player that is likely destined for the middle six. Good size with a bit of nasty to him. Exceptional on the powerplay. Probably not enough of a primary scoring threat to play on the top line unless he takes a big step forward.

Thomas is a smaller but still physical forward with exceptional speed that just oozes heart and compete. Played center in junior, but will likely be moved to 3RW in the pros. I can see him as part of the next generation of the Cizikas-Clutterbuck-Martin line.

JAD is a bottom-six forward. Can play 3C if needed, but will more realistically be a 4th line forward. He's the Kings' next version of Jarret Stoll. Great on faceoffs and very reliable defensively. Top penalty kill option.

I would say the Kings have more redundancies similar to Kupari/Thomas than they do to JAD. The value of the first two guys is higher, but JAD is probably less likely to be moved.
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Sep. 21, 2021 at 6:56 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
They're not really comparable players.

Kupari is a speedy skilled player that is likely destined for the middle six. Good size with a bit of nasty to him. Exceptional on the powerplay. Probably not enough of a primary scoring threat to play on the top line unless he takes a big step forward.

Thomas is a smaller but still physical forward with exceptional speed that just oozes heart and compete. Played center in junior, but will likely be moved to 3RW in the pros. I can see him as part of the next generation of the Cizikas-Clutterbuck-Martin line.

JAD is a bottom-six forward. Can play 3C if needed, but will more realistically be a 4th line forward. He's the Kings' next version of Jarret Stoll. Great on faceoffs and very reliable defensively. Top penalty kill option.

I would say the Kings have more redundancies similar to Kupari/Thomas than they do to JAD. The value of the first two guys is higher, but JAD is probably less likely to be moved.


So what you're saying is Kupari then ?

You dont want to give up a Heart and Soul guy like Thomas as from your Description he sounds like our Gallagher
JAD is safe then Kupari would be the logical Target

From your Description he actually sounds like a great fit for our situation
We have Suzuki for top line and Dvorak for 4 years i think so we need a 3rd Center to hopefully grow to a 2nd C

Poehling show be it but he's to slow for our system period
If he would use his size and become more Physical like Armia after he moved here
Then he could carve out a role on Bottom 6 while maturing his Play
But he wont and is just built for the NHL pre 2012 lock out TBH

We need a guy like Kupari to replace him but also hopefully motivate him
Even if he's a bust as a top 9 guy there's still a small chance we can mold him into a Scissons
Sep. 21, 2021 at 7:00 p.m.
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So what you're saying is Kupari then ?

You dont want to give up a Heart and Soul guy like Thomas as from your Description he sounds like our Gallagher
JAD is safe then Kupari would be the logical Target

From your Description he actually sounds like a great fit for our situation
We have Suzuki for top line and Dvorak for 4 years i think so we need a 3rd Center to hopefully grow to a 2nd C

Poehling show be it but he's to slow for our system period
If he would use his size and become more Physical like Armia after he moved here
Then he could carve out a role on Bottom 6 while maturing his Play
But he wont and is just built for the NHL pre 2012 lock out TBH

We need a guy like Kupari to replace him but also hopefully motivate him
Even if he's a bust as a top 9 guy there's still a small chance we can mold him into a Scissons


Probably Kupari. It all depends on what is being offered for each player. I think Kupari has more trade value than Thomas or JAD, so if someone offers up the same package for Kupari and Thomas, I think the Kings would rather move Thomas. However, if they're all being paid equal to their value, then I think the Kings would probably move Kupari first.
Sep. 21, 2021 at 8:33 p.m.
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Thanks God you’re not GM
Kupari ffs
Sep. 22, 2021 at 2:36 a.m.
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People look way into forward positions, especially centers. Turcotte can easily be moved too the wing (or any other center, except Byfield)
The only way I can see Turcotte getting moved is for a good LHD
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Sep. 27, 2021 at 11:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Poehling
Thanks God you’re not GM
Kupari ffs


Says "Poehling" without a hint of Irony
Sep. 28, 2021 at 10:13 a.m.
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Says "Poehling" without a hint of Irony


I’m not saying Poehling is great, you act like Kupari will make it too the NHL
He might, like Poehling
I personally rather have Poehling than Kupari
 
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