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Comparing deals

Created by: Gmonwy
Team: 2021-22 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 23, 2021
Published: Sep. 23, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Fellow Flames fans. What would you give up for Eichel now if we burried Gudbranson?
Trades
CGY
BUF
  1. Dubé, Dillon
  2. Monahan, Sean
  3. Zary, Connor
  4. 2022 1st round pick (CGY)
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Before Eichel's captaincy was stripped this was the deal I liked
Buyouts
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$73,537,500$0$0$7,962,500
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
C
UFA - 5
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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$2,425,000$2,425,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
C
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$725,000$725,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$1,237,500$1,237,500
LD
UFA - 3
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 5
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 5
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,125,000$1,125,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 2
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$1,550,000$1,550,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Sep. 23, 2021 at 9:56 a.m.
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Still dont think its too far off, just see it as
Buffalo is more likely to accept something like this now.

Pretty sure we save more cap here by sending Mackey down though instead
Sep. 23, 2021 at 10:01 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Still dont think its too far off, just see it as
Buffalo is more likely to accept something like this now.

Pretty sure we save more cap here by sending Mackey down though instead


Nah with Gudbranson in the AHL we have 712 k with Mackey we have 500k. Just tried it
Sep. 23, 2021 at 10:12 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Still dont think its too far off, just see it as
Buffalo is more likely to accept something like this now.

Pretty sure we save more cap here by sending Mackey down though instead


It was a good offer before. Taking the C away means nothing
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Sep. 23, 2021 at 10:18 a.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
It was a good offer before. Taking the C away means nothing


Loosing captaincy wasnt what changed his perceived value, it was him fail8ng the physical. Prior to this Eichel kinda had 2 different values. One where he’s healthy and one where he’s not (Schrodinger's hockey player). Now that it has been 100% confirmed he is not clear to play we have a better idea on what his value is (not us specifically but GM's do)
Sep. 23, 2021 at 10:19 a.m.
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Quoting: Gmonwy
Nah with Gudbranson in the AHL we have 712 k with Mackey we have 500k. Just tried it


And what about both? Play Stone instead
Sep. 23, 2021 at 10:20 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Loosing captaincy wasnt what changed his perceived value, it was him fail8ng the physical. Prior to this Eichel kinda had 2 different values. One where he’s healthy and one where he’s not (Schrodinger's hockey player). Now that it has been 100% confirmed he is not clear to play we have a better idea on what his value is (not us specifically but GM's do)


both of those things should have been expected in May when this started, I dont know why any one is shocked right now
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Sep. 23, 2021 at 10:22 a.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
both of those things should have been expected in May when this started, I dont know why any one is shocked right now


Im not shocked its more like Adam's lost those cards to play now. Cant be as picky on a return
Sep. 23, 2021 at 10:30 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Im not shocked its more like Adam's lost those cards to play now. Cant be as picky on a return


I see no reason why Adams has to change his strategy. Losing Eichel to UFA is better than getting fleeced in another trade. Adams has to worry about his face more than just getting something back
Sep. 23, 2021 at 10:36 a.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
I see no reason why Adams has to change his strategy. Losing Eichel to UFA is better than getting fleeced in another trade. Adams has to worry about his face more than just getting something back


I am not saying to get fleeced, I am saying he can't be declining deals like the above anymore for example
Sep. 23, 2021 at 10:37 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Im not shocked its more like Adam's lost those cards to play now. Cant be as picky on a return


any team would have had him looked at and his medical records reviewed before a trade went through anyway. It was widely accepted he needed surgery and the his value was predicated on that. Not his captaincy or if he is healthy (we knew he wasn't) the gamble was always gonna be if he is the same after the surgery.
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Sep. 23, 2021 at 10:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Drakin1978
any team would have had him looked at and his medical records reviewed before a trade went through anyway. It was widely accepted he needed surgery and the his value was predicated on that. Not his captaincy or if he is healthy (we knew he wasn't) the gamble was always gonna be if he is the same after the surgery.


That's not entirely true, teams did have access to his medical records yes, but it was also well known that Eichel was skating and reported said he was feeling great. the records only update when a test takes place and that is what just occurred
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Sep. 23, 2021 at 11:57 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Im not shocked its more like Adam's lost those cards to play now. Cant be as picky on a return


Eichel failing his physical has changed this entire situation by exactly 0%. It has literally been known for days if not weeks that he would fail his physical since he is not willing to get the surgery the sabres doctors were recommending to him months ago. Since they can't agree on a path of treatment = failing physical.

This changes nothing as far as cards/ leverage/ etc in the trade market.
Sep. 23, 2021 at 12:03 p.m.
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Eichel failing his physical has changed this entire situation by exactly 0%. It has literally been known for days if not weeks that he would fail his physical since he is not willing to get the surgery the sabres doctors were recommending to him months ago. Since they can't agree on a path of treatment = failing physical.

This changes nothing as far as cards/ leverage/ etc in the trade market.


I disagree but sure man
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Sep. 23, 2021 at 1:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Loosing captaincy wasnt what changed his perceived value, it was him fail8ng the physical. Prior to this Eichel kinda had 2 different values. One where he’s healthy and one where he’s not (Schrodinger's hockey player). Now that it has been 100% confirmed he is not clear to play we have a better idea on what his value is (not us specifically but GM's do)


Wait. A guy that missed 30+ games with a neck injury, was diagnosed with a neck injury and needs neck surgery, all known all off season, failed his physical??? It was a 100% lock for months. Nothing changed yesterday...
Sep. 23, 2021 at 1:10 p.m.
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Wait. A guy that missed 30+ games with a neck injury, was diagnosed with a neck injury and needs neck surgery, all known all off season, failed his physical??? It was a 100% lock for months. Nothing changed yesterday...


He's not in a freaking wheelchair lol, he's literally been skating and training all summer, there was definitely a chance of him passing
 
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