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Bertuzzi trade

Created by: Bannedforlife
Team: 2021-22 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 23, 2021
Published: Sep. 23, 2021
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Trades
DET
  1. Kane, Evander
  2. 2022 1st round pick (SJS)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (SJS)
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2022
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Sep. 23, 2021 at 3:45 p.m.
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Don't want Evander Kane, especially not for Bertuzzi.
Sep. 23, 2021 at 3:47 p.m.
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SJ very much declines, horrible move.

If Kane is terminated, then SJ is screwed.
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Sep. 23, 2021 at 3:52 p.m.
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anti-vaxer for a domestic abuser
Sep. 23, 2021 at 3:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Klara
SJ very much declines, horrible move.

If Kane is terminated, then SJ is screwed.


Did you hear about the new allegations? I feel like this is a fair deal to get out of that situation.
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Sep. 23, 2021 at 4:00 p.m.
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Did you hear about the new allegations? I feel like this is a fair deal to get out of that situation.

Not really. If he's innocent, he plays for SJ. If he's guilty, then his contract is easily terminated. Simple as that.
Sep. 23, 2021 at 4:04 p.m.
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Not really. If he's innocent, he plays for SJ. If he's guilty, then his contract is easily terminated. Simple as that.


Even if it turns out that he's innocent, multiple SJ vets don't want to play with him. And if it turns out that he's guilty, you just replaced him with a younger, cheaper, comparable player. It's a pretty good deal for sj
Sep. 23, 2021 at 4:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Bannedforlife
Even if it turns out that he's innocent, multiple SJ vets don't want to play with him. And if it turns out that he's guilty, you just replaced him with a younger, cheaper, comparable player. It's a pretty good deal for sj


Please inform us which vets won't play with him. Because no one, not a single person covering hockey has mentioned a single name. This is a miserable deal for SJS, and it's not even remotely decent.
Sep. 23, 2021 at 4:54 p.m.
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Quoting: gary_bettman
Please inform us which vets won't play with him. Because no one, not a single person covering hockey has mentioned a single name. This is a miserable deal for SJS, and it's not even remotely decent.


Hertl has come out and said he has issues with Kane, Couture has off the record complained, Karlson hates the guy and he was ready to drop the gloves with a coach over power play placement. the guy is a locker room cancer.
that being said sharks are in a quiet rebuild and will not be trading a high 1st and 2nd, most likely they hold onto him this season in hope everything blows over and they can trade him at the deadline or next season, he is usually good for 2-3 year at each stop before its time to move him so if he has 3 years left he should be palatable for most of that on a playoff contender with good leadership.
Sep. 23, 2021 at 5:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Bannedforlife
Even if it turns out that he's innocent, multiple SJ vets don't want to play with him. And if it turns out that he's guilty, you just replaced him with a younger, cheaper, comparable player. It's a pretty good deal for sj

I mean, so the media has only reportedly said, right? The players have said things like "they want what's best for him" or "he's a friend" or "love him" and "he's a part of the family" if he's in the locker room (Ferraro, Burns, Couture, Vlasic). But who knows.

As far as a Kane / Bertuzzi swap, ofc in that case SJ considers and likely does it, but the thing I'm saying is that they simply wouldn't consider shelling out a 1st rounder let alone plus other assets to get rid of him for the reasons I mentioned in my earlier comment.
Sep. 23, 2021 at 5:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
Hertl has come out and said he has issues with Kane, Couture has off the record complained, Karlson hates the guy and he was ready to drop the gloves with a coach over power play placement. the guy is a locker room cancer.
that being said sharks are in a quiet rebuild and will not be trading a high 1st and 2nd, most likely they hold onto him this season in hope everything blows over and they can trade him at the deadline or next season, he is usually good for 2-3 year at each stop before its time to move him so if he has 3 years left he should be palatable for most of that on a playoff contender with good leadership.


What if holding onto Kane for a year causes Hertl to decide to leave at the end of the year? Or others to request trades? Or negatively impacts the development of younger players?

This is a weird scenario because wings fans are going to say no way would they want him on the team while sharks fans are going to say no way would they pay to get rid of him. Both sides are right I guess, but I feel like something needs to be done.
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Sep. 23, 2021 at 6:19 p.m.
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This is California, legally Bertuzzi wouldn't be allowed in the building without a vaccination. It's a very easy decline for SJ
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Sep. 23, 2021 at 6:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Bannedforlife
Did you hear about the new allegations? I feel like this is a fair deal to get out of that situation.


the new allegations is precisely why this won't happen. If he's guilty he's terminated, if he isn't he'll play with the team until he is tony deangelo'd
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Sep. 23, 2021 at 7:39 p.m.
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with Kane the sharks are hoping enough stick on the chargers that they can void his deal and be done with him.
even if Kane was squeaky clean the wings might balk at this deal, with the issues even if he is innocent they wont touch this with a 10' pole.

strong suspicion the sharks are done with his issues and ready to walk but just need enough to void the deal, if not they deal for 1 more year and trade him or buy him out next offseason.
Sep. 23, 2021 at 7:51 p.m.
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What if holding onto Kane for a year causes Hertl to decide to leave at the end of the year? Or others to request trades? Or negatively impacts the development of younger players?

This is a weird scenario because wings fans are going to say no way would they want him on the team while sharks fans are going to say no way would they pay to get rid of him. Both sides are right I guess, but I feel like something needs to be done.


this is a huge issue! I think Kane needs to go. but you cant buy him out till next year and no one wants his off ice baggage.
with no off ice issues his deal is a solid one and ends at 33 which isn't bad for a power forward.

I have a sneaky suspicion Wilson spoke with Hertl and the rest of the team about Kane and let them know he's working voiding him/ moving him, or dumping him next offseason.
that kind of discussion can't be done over the phone or via media cause it could have serious backlash legally and ethically in the NHL.

the Sharks in the past have been know to have strong healthy locker room's until Kane and I think Wilson wants to get back to that, but there are legal/ logical things he can and can't do we just have to let it play out.

If that's not the case they need to trade Hertl now and tank the season for a high pick next year, cause with the team built as it stands were not going to compete without Kane.
we can lose Kane and replace him next offseason, but we wont be able to replace Hertl without some major help.
Sep. 24, 2021 at 7:58 a.m.
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Quoting: Klara
the new allegations is precisely why this won't happen. If he's guilty he's terminated, if he isn't he'll play with the team until he is tony deangelo'd


More like Slava Voynov'd
Sep. 24, 2021 at 10:47 a.m.
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Quoting: gary_bettman
More like Slava Voynov'd


If the allegations are true then he's getting Slava Voynov'd

If they are false, he's getting Tony Deangelo'd
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