Detroit has no reason to make that trade. Neds our starter till Cossa is ready Koskinen and a mid to late first isn't appealing enough to take our young starter, who not to mention just came of a calder finalist year. I see San Jose asking for more if they are retaining that much.

I don’t see Detroit doing it and if going to go with a young goalie to back up smith we have our own to look at.
San Jose deal I wouldn’t do just because Kass can bring an element this team needs come playoffs. Hertl as good as he is doesn’t bring that intangible need.
Ducks deal id do no questions asked but I doubt the ducks would because of the term attached to ceci.

San Jose declines with a prejudice. Hertl as a first line C is a first, and 2nd and a blue chip prospect or top 6 roster player. The picks will be 22 picks not 23.

SJ vomits on that offer. Not even close.

Everyone declines.

Anaheim says nah

I think SJ will struggle to get that return without an extension pre-negotiated with the trading team. The only teams that may consider parting with that for a player with no guarantee of signing are teams that know they're going deep and that the pick will most likely be in that 29-32 range.

Ok but the offer above is just as laughable as thinking the Sharks would get that much (Bluechip (Turcotte example), LA first, 2nd) for a rental (they won’t I agree).

Kassian is a cap dump. Plain and simple. He’s moved here because EDM doesn’t want him and his term/ cap hit. He’s not a terrible player. But he’s not great. So SJ is getting a late first and 2nd for taking on a negative value asset (we don’t need Kassian) and then losing quite literally our best player.

As a rental Hertl gets over a first/ prospect (depends on the value of either asset, a high pick like 10-15 and a good prospect but nothing crazy since this is a deep draft).

As an extension I think Hertl sees a top end prospect (no one like Byfield or Rossi but guys that would become a top 5 guy for the Sharks in our prospect depth charts, similar to guys like Beckman or JBD (I’m not actually suggesting these guys)) and a good pick and another 1-2 assets depending on the values of:
The pick
And the prospect

Value is really hard to put on players in these situations. We saw that last year with Taylor Hall. if Hertl has decided he's done in SJ, other teams will know Sharks are in a position where they need to get something for him or risk losing him for nothing. Hertl has a NTC where he only has to give a 3 team trade list. Hall had a full NMC which stunted his return to a 2nd. I think at least going to 3 teams and retaining salary would definitely get something in the 1st round plus another piece but the actual return will really fluctuate depending on what type of bidding war they can drum up out of the 3 teams. Can also pretty much guarantee the Oilers are not on that list.

Sharks decline very easily

Oh yeah hell no the Oilers aren’t gonna be in on Hertl unless they want a pure rental where I think they’d be out bid fast and it would be stupid for Holland to get into a bidding war for a 1C when the Oilers have: Connor, Leon, RNH, etc.

Hertl is also a guy who I don’t see making a big fuss. Yes he has this “list” but it’s evident that he’s flexible through his interviews and the idea. He wants either:
Winning a cup
Winning and being close to the EU (so east side)
Good location on the east on a not bad team
Or I guess to stay in SJS

Very crude points but you get the gist. That gives you way more than 3 teams and I doubt Hertl is going to hold the Sharks hostage as he’s never given any reason to think he isn’t one of the nicest guys in the league; but also the Sharks have shown commitments to finding players a good new home that works for everyone (think Goodrow, and I think Braun too maybe idk just quick examples)

Hertl is also a center willing to extend where ever this said home is gonna be. I don’t think Hertl will have an issue in finding a home, so in turn I don’t think the Sharks will have trouble. Not even talking value, I think Hertl will be able to find and decide on a home if it gets that far and so the Sharks won’t have much trouble. The only trouble I see is ensuring a clean bill of health from Hertl for the full year before a trade if it were to happen. He’s not made of glass, but he hasn’t had an easy career.

I'd be surprised if Hertl moves on tbh. Yeah, Sharks are going through a rebuild and he could decide to chase a chance to win a cup but all in all SJ is one of the more desirable cities to play in.

A cap dump and max retention for Hertl with a return of a pick in 2 years and 3 years is not going to do it.

How’s kass a cap dump? Just curious because it seems people keep judging him based on results of last year which he was injured for majority of it. There isn’t many tough guys that can skate as well as him and proven more than capable of slotting in on any line.

How is he not a cap dump? The only reason he has put up points is because he played with the best player in the world. I see him as just slightly above Ryan Reeves. What value do you think he has then? I’d imagine at highest he’s worth a 5th maybe?

News to me that kass is an expected point producer. I could have sworn whatever he produces was just gravy and he earns his pay check by bringing energy to the team playing physical causing turnovers heavy forechecking being the push back when needed. Make it sound like a bad thing he had career numbers paired with mcdavid something tells me isn’t the first and won’t be the last to do so.

Terrible contract that runs for 2 more seasons at more then 3M. Never has produced unless next to McDavid. Not exactly a good citizen. the 2nd rounder is the price to dump the salary.

Top 6 forwards net first rounders every year. if hertl wants to move many contenders will offer a first + to get him especially for this level of retention.

I’m Not saying he is a point producer, just assumed that’s why he was considered to have any positive value. $3.2 mil for three years for the type of player that normally costs a third of that? That’s a cap dump.