The absolute minimum the Ottawa Senators should accept in a Brady Tkachuk trade

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Created by: sensonfire

Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators

Initial Creation Date: Oct. 2, 2021

Published: Oct. 3, 2021

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This is the absolute minimum that Ottawa should accept in any trade for Brady Tkachuk:

A decent roster forward or two + the equivalent of 2 first round picks

Here are three comparable trades to explain why :D

http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_player/Tkachuk,Keith

http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_player/Schenn,Brayden

Trades

OTT

What do they all have in common?

1. All three of them involve the St. Louis Blues

2. Two of them involve Keith Tkachuk and the third one involves Brayden Schenn

3. If we needed to trade Brady to another team, something like what happened in those three trades would be good returns for Ottawa IMO.

STL

Tkachuk, Brady [RFA Rights]

Additional Details:

Please keep in mind that a Brady Tkachuk trade can be with any team, not just the Blues.

Of course, we would only trade Brady Tkachuk if Uncle Euge is so cheap, that he would only buy Christmas and Birthday presents from a Dollar Store.

OTT

March 13th, 2001

A trade over Keith Tkachuk between the Blues and the Coyotes.

1. The Coyotes got two decent roster forwards

Michal Handzus and Ladislav Nagy

2. The Coyotes also got someone who was a 1st round pick from the most recent draft at the time.

Jeff Taffe was the 30th overall pick in the Year 2000 and his rights were moved to the Coyotes in this trade for Keith Tkachuk.

3. Finally, the Coyotes got a fresh 1st round pick for the year 2001 or 2002.

STL

Summary:

This trade amounted to ...

A roster forward or two + the equivalent of 2 first round picks

for

Keith Tkachuk

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/Search/Search.php

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Years/2002.htm

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February 25th, 2007

A trade over Keith Tkachuk between the Blues and Thrashers.

1. The Blues got a decent roster forward

Glen Metropolit

2. The Blues also got a fresh 1st round pick for the upcoming draft in 2007.

3. The Blues also got a fresh 2nd round pick and a fresh 3rd round pick.

It is possible to make a fair trade on draft day for a 1st round pick using only a 2nd and a 3rd, per Capfriendly.

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades?event=draft&round=1-2-3

4. The Blues would have also got a 1st round pick for 2008 if Keith Tkachuk re-signed with the Thrashers, which was never going to happen and both teams at the time knew that.

However, if Ottawa does trade Brady Tkachuk, he will almost certainly be signed to a long-term deal with his new team.

STL

Summary:

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/keith-tkachuk

This trade amounted to ...

A decent roster forward or two + the equivalent of 2 first round picks

for

Keith Tkachuk

Just like the first Keith Tkachuk trade with the Coyotes.

Are you seeing a trend here?

OTT

June 23rd, 2017

A trade over Brayden Schenn between the Blues and the Flyers

1. The Flyers got a decent roster forward

Jori Lehtera

2. The Flyers also got a fresh 1st round pick for the upcoming draft in 2017, which was the same day.

3. The Flyers also got a fresh 1st round pick for 2018.

*However, if the 2018 1st round pick was in the Top 10, the Blues would keep it and the Flyers would instead receive a 2019 1st round pick and a 2020 3rd round pick.

** That never happened.

STL

Summary:

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades?s=schenn&round=1

This trade amounted to ...

A decent roster forward or two + the equivalent of 2 first round picks

for

Brayden Schenn

Just like both trades featuring Keith Tkachuk.

Get the picture?

OTT

Kyrou, Jordan
Thomas, Robert
2022 1st round pick (STL)
2023 1st round pick (STL)

Additional Details:

GRAND SUMMARY!!!!

STL

The absolute minimum that the Ottawa Senators should accept in a trade over Brady Tkachuk is:

A decent roster forward or two + the equivalent of 2 first round picks

There you go :D

Buyouts

Bobby Ryan: $3,583,333
Dion Phaneuf: $354,167

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$61,685,083	$0	$4,507,500	$19,814,917

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Brown, Connor $3,600,000$3,600,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Norris, Joshua $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) C UFA - 1	Batherson, Drake $4,975,000$4,975,000 RW, LW UFA - 6
Stützle, Tim $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) C UFA - 2	Pinto, Shane $925,000$925,000 ($600,000$600K) C RFA - 2	White, Colin $4,750,000$4,750,000 C, RW UFA - 4
Sanford, Zachary $2,000,000$2,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Thomas, Robert $2,800,000$2,800,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Kyrou, Jordan $2,800,000$2,800,000 RW UFA - 2
Paul, Nicholas $749,250$749,250 C, LW UFA - 1	Tierney, Chris $3,500,000$3,500,000 C UFA - 1
		Watson, Austin $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000$8,000,000 LD UFA - 7	Zub, Artem $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 2	Murray, Matt $4,687,500$4,687,500 G M-NTC UFA - 3
Del Zotto, Michael $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD UFA - 2	Zaitsev, Nikita $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Forsberg, Anton $900,000$900,000 G UFA - 1
Holden, Nick $1,700,000$1,700,000 LD UFA - 1	Brown, Joshua $1,200,000$1,200,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Mete, Victor $1,200,000$1,200,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Brännström, Erik $863,333$863,333 ($450,000$450K) LD/RD, LW RFA - 1
Formenton, Alex $747,500$747,500 ($107,500$108K) LW RFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Stützle, T.		Norris, J.		Batherson, D.
	Chabot, T.		White, C.

Power Play 2
Sanford, Z.		Thomas, R.		Kyrou, J.
	Pinto, S.		Zub, A.

Penalty Kill 1
	Paul, N.	Brown, C.
	Del Zotto, M.	Zaitsev, N.

Penalty Kill 2
	Tierney, C.	Watson, A.
	Zub, A.	Brown, J.

Oct. 3, 2021 at 8:00 a.m.

athrin

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no way in hell would OTT accept a Brady trade were a soon to be 30 YO player who has been injured the last 2 years and missed most games is the center piece of the deal.

Oct. 3, 2021 at 8:07 a.m.

sensonfire

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Quoting: athrin

no way in hell would OTT accept a Brady trade were a soon to be 30 YO player who has been injured the last 2 years and missed most games is the center piece of the deal.

Please keep in mind that a Brady Tkachuk trade can be with any team.

It does not have to be with the Blues.

The Blues are in my post because of the three trades that I talk about here.

I don't know of any other player on the Blues that could serve as the main piece to make a trade work.

And that would respect the cap situations of both the Blues and the Sens.

Do you?

Oct. 3, 2021 at 8:14 a.m.

athrin

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Quoting: sensonfire

Thomas and or Kyrou, OTT is not trading a 22 YO for a 30 YO.....

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Oct. 3, 2021 at 8:15 a.m.

sensonfire

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Quoting: athrin

Thomas and or Kyrou, OTT is not trading a 22 YO for a 30 YO.....

Thanks.

Oct. 3, 2021 at 9:18 a.m.

BigBadBurke

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What's the alternative to a "fresh" 1st round pick? lol

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Oct. 3, 2021 at 9:35 a.m.

StephL05

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I get most blues fans will say this is an overpay but I agree with this return any less and I would be unhappy , if ottawa is not blown away why trade him they hold his rights and their isn't much the brady camp can do other then hold out which wouldn't be good for bradys career... a deal should get done before the season starts but if for some reason it doesn't this is the return we would need from the blues

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Oct. 3, 2021 at 9:43 a.m.

sensonfire

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Quoting: TheGHANDI90

What's the alternative to a "fresh" 1st round pick? lol

What I mean by a "fresh" 1st round pick is a 1st round pick that can be used in either of the next 3 drafts.

A 1st round pick that can't be used until after the next 3 drafts would not be "ripe enough".

While a 1st round bust would be a "rotten" 1st round pick.

So, you got three types of 1st round picks.

Fresh, rotten and not ripe enough lol.

One alternative to a "fresh" 1st round pick would be a prospect that was recently drafted in the 1st round.

And who might be drafted in the 1st round again if he re-entered the draft.

To use the present-day St. Louis Blues as an example, Zachary Bolduc and Jake Neighbours would meet the criteria.

I hope this helps

Oct. 3, 2021 at 9:43 a.m.

Kotkaniemi15

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There’s a large difference in the roster forward(s) between the all 3 trades. Michal Handzus and Ladislav Nagy were young NHLers (like Thomas and Kyrou) and Lehtera was a cap dump.

The trade you have listed here is on the high end for sure. In terms of St. Louis’ willingness to do this, I think they’d probably be willing to do it if Kyrou is swapped out for a depth forward.

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Oct. 3, 2021 at 9:44 a.m.

Claesson4Norris

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We're not doing this

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Oct. 3, 2021 at 9:46 a.m.

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sensonfire

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Quoting: StephL05

There is one small amount of leverage that Brady's camp does have.

Assuming the Ottawa Senators do nothing for 10 days, the NHL would punish us for being under the cap floor in the event we didn't sign Brady.

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Oct. 3, 2021 at 9:47 a.m.

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

We're not doing this

I know.

Oct. 3, 2021 at 9:59 a.m.

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A_K

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Its disturbing that you think so little of Thomas and Kyrou. I'd be hesitant to trade either for brady in a 1-for-1 given the current contracts and ultimate ceilings of each piece. Trading both and 2 1sts would be a total disaster.

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Oct. 3, 2021 at 10:00 a.m.

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BCAPP

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Brady isn't his dad.

He is supremely overrated on here. He also doesn't deserve 8 mil for term.

He definitely doesn't get kyrou, Thomas and two firsts.

Kyrou, a first and a good prospect maybe.

Oct. 3, 2021 at 10:06 a.m.

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sensonfire

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Quoting: A_K

It's not that I think so little of Thomas and Kyrou.

I initially had just Tarasenko in there along with the two firsts.

But then athrin came along and explained in the comments earlier why I should swap Tarasenko out for Thomas/Kyrou.

So, that's what I did.

Can't please everybody

Oct. 3, 2021 at 10:06 a.m.

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Quoting: BCAPP

Brady isn't his dad.

He is supremely overrated on here. He also doesn't deserve 8 mil for term.

He definitely doesn't get kyrou, Thomas and two firsts.

Kyrou, a first and a good prospect maybe.

Kyrou basically matched Brady's scoring last season in 227 fewer minutes (mainly 115 fewer PP minutes). Brady may be more of a character/leadership guy, but he is also asking for a massive contract. It sounds like a trade for Brady would be a mistake for the Blues. They can get better production for cheaper with what they have.

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Oct. 3, 2021 at 10:08 a.m.

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Quoting: sensonfire

Its roughly the equivalent of the Sens trading Norris, batherson, and 2 1sts.

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Oct. 3, 2021 at 10:12 a.m.

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Quoting: sensonfire

Very easily fixed... sign ennis to a 1 year 1.3 mil contract to get to the floor

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Oct. 3, 2021 at 10:13 a.m.

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Quoting: A_K

Its roughly the equivalent of the Sens trading Norris, batherson, and 2 1sts.

How much better would it be for the Blues if I swapped out Kyrou/Thomas and went back to just Tarasenko and the two firsts?

That was what I originally posted until athrin came by and left a comment.

Oct. 3, 2021 at 10:52 a.m.

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palhal

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So expect the Blues to increase their cap significantly, give up four prospects for a fifty point winger. Brady is proving he isn't worth the aggravation.
Blues look at the Tkachuk brothers when they are UFAs in Bradys's case in four seasons when they can sign himf or free. But his inflated price tag, and just may not be worth it for any team, though some team will overpay for him.

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Oct. 3, 2021 at 10:57 a.m.

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Quoting: palhal

I originally had Tarasenko in the trade instead of Kyrou/Thomas.

The two firsts were in the original trade as well.

Oct. 3, 2021 at 10:59 a.m.

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Quoting: sensonfire

I originally had Tarasenko in the trade instead of Kyrou/Thomas.

The two firsts were in the original trade as well.

Gee, I healthy Taresenko ( two years) and more for Tkachuk. Think there could be something around that for a deal.

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