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Prospect swap

Created by: Richard88
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 7, 2021
Published: Oct. 7, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche
Trades
1.
COL
  1. Frost, Morgan
Additional Details:
27th overall in 2017. One year left on his ELC and waiver exemption.

Injury prone and has just been sent down to the AHL again after apparently disappointing in preseason. Maybe he could break out playing on a team who value skating ability more than any other team.
PHI
  1. Kaut, Martin
Additional Details:
16th overall in 2018. Two years left of ELC and waiver exemption.

Has done well in the AHL but hasn't been able to break into the Avs team. Kaut plays a smart two-way game that Vigneault would like, though he doesn't have the offensive flash that Frost has.
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
COL
COL
COL
COL
2023
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
2024
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$79,366,463$1,741,463$3,432,500$2,133,537
Left WingCenterRight Wing
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
$7,000,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 8
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
$6,300,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 4
COL
Nichushkin, Valeri
$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
COL
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
COL
Burakovsky, André
$4,900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
COL
Jost, Tyson
$2,000,000
C, LW, RW
RFA - 2
COL
Newhook, Alex
$908,333
C
RFA - 2
COL
Compher, J.T.
$3,500,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
COL
Helm, Darren
$1,000,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
COL
Maltsev, Mikhail
$809,167
LW
RFA - 1
COL
O'Connor, Logan
$725,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
COL
Toews, Devon
$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 3
COL
Makar, Cale
$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 6
COL
Kuemper, Darcy
$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
COL
Girard, Samuel
$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 6
COL
Johnson, Erik
$6,000,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Francouz, Pavel
$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
COL
Byram, Bowen
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
COL
Murray, Ryan
$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
PHI
Frost, Morgan
$863,333
C
RFA - 1
COL
MacDermid, Kurtis
$875,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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Oct. 7 at 1:06 a.m.
#1
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That would be a bad trade for the Flyers. Frost still has the potential to be a 1st line forward and he’s pretty solid defensively. Kaut is more of a middle 6 winger
Oct. 7 at 1:28 a.m.
#2
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Flyers decline. Frosts upside is plenty higher than kauts while his floor is only slightly lower.
Oct. 7 at 1:50 a.m.
#3
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Quoting: Islesforthecup
Flyers decline. Frosts upside is plenty higher than kauts while his floor is only slightly lower.


gonna be 23 soon. his upside is gone bruh
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Oct. 7 at 5:03 a.m.
#4
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Quoting: earl08
gonna be 23 soon. his upside is gone bruh


I laugh all the time when a 25 year old is in a trade and people scream "tHe uPsIde" and the guy has played over 100 games and only has 3 points. It's comical. Not saying it totally fits here but the guy above said "Frost has 1st line potential" Like, are we still in 2019???
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Oct. 7 at 8:50 a.m.
#5
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I think you hit on the reason the Avs wouldn’t do it, an extra year of waiver exempt, I don’t think everybody realizes how valuable that is, because you know injuries are going to happen.
Oct. 7 at 9:06 a.m.
#6
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Quoting: Xqb15a
I think you hit on the reason the Avs wouldn’t do it, an extra year of waiver exempt, I don’t think everybody realizes how valuable that is, because you know injuries are going to happen.


Yeah, the organization made a big deal of having Kaut's ELC slide an extra year in order to effectively extend his ELC. Having that 2nd year left is a big deal because it buys a lot of extra time. Kaut could be kept in the minors this entire season to marinate a bit longer and still have another year left of waiver exemption. That's valuable in a cap league.

Frost probably does still have more upside than Kaut though. After missing a year of hockey he's missed some key development time though, and the clock is ticking on him this season before being waiver fodder in a year.

Overall I think it's probably a reasonably fair deal, though more risk is on Colorado's side given the extra year and Frost's injury history. His skating might make him a more natural fit in Bednar's system than Kaut though, so in that sense it would make sense. Avs also lack a playmaker for the middle 6 so there would certainly be an opportunity there for him.
Oct. 7 at 12:37 p.m.
#7
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I don't mind this, but I feel that Frost could probably get more value back from somewhere else
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Oct. 7 at 12:40 p.m.
#8
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Quoting: earl08
gonna be 23 soon. his upside is gone bruh


Hmm i guess you must have missed what happened this year with a rookie phenom who was... 25yo. Im not saying frost will become anything but hes only 22yo. Saying he has no upside is ignorant.
Oct. 7 at 12:55 p.m.
#9
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Quoting: earl08
gonna be 23 soon. his upside is gone bruh


He was born May 14th, reaching a bit there with “soon”. Let alone that fact players can still develop at 23+.
Oct. 7 at 2:24 p.m.
#10
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Quoting: BStinson
He was born May 14th, reaching a bit there with “soon”. Let alone that fact players can still develop at 23+.


Oh he can still develop... into a bottom six player
Oct. 7 at 4:32 p.m.
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Quoting: earl08
Oh he can still develop... into a bottom six player

Mantha, Bertuzzi, Nyquist, and Tatar are some recent Detroit players that become NHL regulars around that same time. What specifically makes him only a bottom six upside?
 
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