imma be fr u can get way more in ur trades

The Mitts for Zucc idea is pretty interesting. Obviously a lot depends on their respective years, but as of now, it’s def a pretty nice concept.

I think you could get way more for Olofsson. And I doubt they trade Mitt. Also for any Eichel trade , I’d be looking at a return similar to this:

2 roster players (top 9F similar to Faksa or Zucker + top 6D similar to Zaitsev or DeHaan or Colin Miller or Zadorov :

2 B prospects (similar to Nolan Foote , Martin Kaut, Klim Kostin, Jan Mysak)

2022 1st conditional on Eichel playing 41 games. If not, becomes a 2022 2nd

2023 2nd becomes a 1st if Eichel is playing and the team goes to the Stanley cup finals in either year

0 interest in D men but other than that yes. Id trades Mitts because Lambert Bourque Cozens, they move Mitts at his peak value

Except that trade is **** for the Wild... Mittelstadt's value isn't worth anywhere near that, not even with the growth he showed last year. And then there's the fact this trade also treats Zuccarello as a negative asset, which he is NOT.

He came back fully healthy last season for the first time in a little over 2 years and proved he is still a highly effective top-six playmaking winger. I mean he was on pace for 60+ points last year for crying out loud. But wait, there's more! How does 7 points in 3 preseason games so far this year strike your fancy?

Mittelstadt was very nearly a bust and held just about no value whatsoever, so the fact that he's probably elevated it to around a 2nd after last season is considerable. I don't make that trade unless it's 1v1 or if there's a low pick attached with Mitts, say a 5th rounder, and I for sure as hell am not sending a 2nd back to Buffalo under any circumstances on top of Zuccarello.

Zuccarello is an expensive, declining asset, Mitts has shown he can be a decent middle 6 center (he was on pace for 20 goals and 44 points over 82 on the 19-20 Sabres) that costs 1/3rd of what Zucc costs and Minnesota needs to shave cap and needs centers, all it costs them is a mid to late 2nd, which is fair value for Mitts. I imagine youre the only person that could overrate Zuccarello this much while also completely underrating Mittelstadt by the same margin

I don’t think Zucc is negative value, but I also think it’s a complex situation because of the buyouts. The opportunity cost of keeping Zucc seems to be losing Fiala. At least I haven’t found a very viable way to keep both, but I’m open to suggestions on that. Thats kinda the assumption I’m operating under, and if that’s the case, I’m choosing Fiala 10/10. Which means you gotta move Zucc.

Re: trading Zucc, no team is going to swap a Mitts type player for Zucc 1-1. That just isn’t happening, I don’t care if Zucc is the better player today, he’s aging and he’s expensive.

How much do you think Zucc can reasonably return if traded as the only piece going out?

Zuccarello is overpaid by no more than $1-1.5M. Which realistically isn't that much for the production he brings. And while he is a declining asset, he should still be productive for the majority of the remainder of his contract. With only that last year of his contract of real concern.

That doesn't make him a negative asset that requires and costs us to ship out a high draft pick in order to move him. Far from it. He has positive value in his own right, likely a 2nd rounder. Sound familiar?

I also am not trying to undervalue Mittelstadt either. I like what he did last year. But that doesn't erase the fact that his value was non-existant going into last season and that it should be considered a compliment that I think he warrants a 2nd round pick back for him as well. If Mitts has another stellar year again this year, just like last year. Then, yes, he should be worth more than Zuccarello... at that point. But until then, it's an overpay.

It's ridiculous to ask for a 2nd round pick on top of a top-six winger in Zuccarello who was on pace for 60+points in exchange for a lone middle-six center who was on pace for 40+ points. That's roughly a 20 point differential, and loss... on our part.

So I don't see any reason why we should be paying you the better player and assets for a loss of production that significant.

Do you?

Zuccarello is 34, hes not getting better, he is getting worse. Mitts is 22, hes not even in the prime of his career, he is getting better, not worse, thats why youre paying a probable 45-55ish overall pick for him, which doesnt have close to the value youre trying to insinuate it does, this is also done on the draft floor so they know exactly where they are picking

Minnesota definitely isn't adding a 2nd to Zuccarello to get MIttlestadt. If you don't like the fact that Zuccarello is 34, don't trade for him.

And it really begs the question why you're willing to make this deal.

Mitts will be entering the prime of his career after this season and Im assuming he'll be at around 40-50 points. Hes not a part of their future and a move will help get rid of the pressure of being wrongly labeled a bust. Im only trading for Zucc to help Minnesota and at 50% retention feel he has similar value to Mitts. Minnesota gets a 2C, probably 1C until Rossi takes over, and 3.5 mill in cap space, Buffalo retains 3 mill and ends up with 2 picks in the 45-55 range.

What dmen? You mean the guys on short term deals being used as cap dumps? Arizona has both Tmmims and Soderstrom who could be full time NHLers this year but still picked up Ghost and Stralman to acquire assets and accommidate other teams needs of cap space

Any of them

Why is that?

Dont want them

No thats just you being stubborn for no reason. Right now pysyk is a top 6 dman in Buffalo. I highly doubt taking on a 1 year deal and sending him to the AHL while Buffalo still finishes bottom of the league makes a difference on Power's development in NCAA. Then you flip at deadline for more assets

yes because the Sabres current D group is what they plan on keeping going forward, they should totally ignore their prospect pool and dump Eichel for Dmen because their current group is bad

You arent dumping Eichel for dmen lmfao. What a ludicrous hyperbole

How?

"Dump Eichel"

That right there makes the statement absurd

wasting his value to obtain pieces they dont need, just because it hits some predetermined EA sports trade value meter, is dumping him. If they were going to throw him away for anything they would have done it by now.

oh my god, that's not the case. If Buffalo has to take on an expensive defenseman on a year deal so that the other team can fit a 10 million player under the cap then they will do it. Replacing Pysyk or Hagg on the 3rd pair with another 3rd pair defenseman is not blocking anyone.