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Created by: Chabotrrorr
Initial Creation Date: Oct 8, 2021
Published: Oct 8 at 5:36
Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Jasek, Lukas1$875,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Tkachuk, Brady8$8,750,000
Trades
1.
OTT
  1. Puustinen, Valtteri
PIT
  1. Järventie, Roby
2.
OTT
  1. Ladd, Andrew
  2. 2022 4th round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Murray, Matt
  2. 2022 7th round pick (OTT)
3.
OTT
  1. Myers, Tyler
  2. DiPietro, Michael
  3. Jasek, Lukas [Reserve List]
VAN
  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
  2. Søgaard, Mads
  3. Alsing, Olle [Reserve List]
4.
OTT
  1. 2022 6th round pick (TOR)
Conditional: If Brown plays 75% of the games he is healthy, and plays top 6 minutes.
CBJ
  1. Brown, Joshua
5.
OTT
  1. Chudinov, Maxim [Reserve List]
  2. Moore, John
  3. 2022 5th round pick (BOS)
BOS
    Future considerations
    6.
    OTT
    1. Caamano, Nicholas
    2. Hansson, Niklas [Reserve List]
    3. 2023 6th round pick (DAL)
    DAL
    1. Sokolov, Egor
    2. Tychonick, Jonathan [Reserve List]
    7.
    OTT
    1. Leschyshyn, Jake
    VGK
    1. Holden, Nick ($700,000 retained)
    Additional Details:
    Signs 750K/2 years extension
    8.
    OTT
    1. Henrique, Adam ($1,200,000 retained)
    Additional Details:
    Conditional 5th (ANA):
    If Henrique plays less than 1/2 the games in the reguar season
    or
    Henrique gets less than 15 points
    ANA
    1. Kelly, Parker
    2. Abramov, Vitaly [Reserve List]
    3. 2022 7th round pick (NYI)
    Additional Details:
    Becomes 4th (ARZ) 2022 if:
    Henrique gets over .75 points per game and the Sens make it to the playoffs
    or
    The Sens make it to the semis
    Buyouts
    • Bobby Ryan: $3,583,333
    • Dion Phaneuf: $354,167
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Nick Holden: $700,000 (41.18%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2022
    OTT
    OTT
    TBL
    OTT
    BOS
    VAN
    ARI
    OTT
    BOS
    OTT
    TOR
    SJS
    2023
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    DAL
    OTT
    NSH
    2024
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    OTT
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    24$81,500,000$71,203,333$0$4,590,000$10,296,667
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    OTT
    Tkachuk, Brady
    $8,750,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 7
    OTT
    Norris, Joshua
    $925,000
    C
    RFA - 1
    OTT
    Batherson, Drake
    $4,975,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 6
    OTT
    Stützle, Tim
    $925,000
    LW, C
    RFA - 2
    ANA
    Henrique, Adam
    $4,625,000
    C, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    OTT
    Sanford, Zachary
    $2,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    OTT
    Formenton, Alex
    $747,500
    LW
    RFA - 1
    OTT
    Tierney, Chris
    $3,500,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    OTT
    Brown, Connor
    $3,600,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    OTT
    Paul, Nicholas
    $1,350,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    OTT
    Pinto, Shane
    $925,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    OTT
    Watson, Austin
    $1,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Puustinen, Valtteri
    $842,500
    LW
    RFA - 2
    OTT
    Ennis, Tyler
    $900,000
    C, LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Jasek, Lukas
    $875,000
    RW
    RFA
    DAL
    Caamano, Nicholas
    $750,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    OTT
    Chabot, Thomas
    $8,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 7
    VAN
    Myers, Tyler
    $6,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    OTT
    Forsberg, Anton
    $900,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    OTT
    Brännström, Erik
    $863,333
    RD
    RFA - 1
    OTT
    Zub, Artem
    $2,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    OTT
    Gustavsson, Filip
    $787,500
    G
    RFA - 2
    OTT
    Del Zotto, Michael
    $2,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    OTT
    Mete, Victor
    $1,200,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    BOS
    Moore, John
    $2,750,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    OTT
    White, Colin
    $4,750,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 4
    Taxi Squad
    ARI
    Ladd, Andrew
    $5,500,000 ($4,375,000)
    LW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    OTT
    Bishop, Clark
    $800,000 ($0)
    C
    RFA - 1
    OTT
    Greig, Ridly
    $894,167 ($0)
    LW
    RFA - 3
    OTT
    Bernard-Docker, Jacob
    $925,000 ($0)
    RD
    RFA - 2
    OTT
    Thomson, Lassi
    $863,333 ($0)
    RD
    RFA - 3
    VAN
    DiPietro, Michael
    $811,667 ($0)
    G
    RFA - 1

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    Oct 8 at 6:02
    #1
    10k posts gang
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    Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
    Stutzle - Pinto - Sanford
    Paul - Henrique - Brown
    Formenton - Tierney - Watson
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    Oct 8 at 6:55
    #2
    Vegan Commie Hipster
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    Jarventie > puustinen tho Confused

    Maybe two >s

    Confused
    Oct 8 at 6:57
    #3
    NotJimBenning
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    Canucks laugh and block Dorion's number and email after seeing this
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    Oct 8 at 6:59
    #4
    Vegan Commie Hipster
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    The Vancouver trade is nifty
    Oct 8 at 7:04
    #5
    Vegan Commie Hipster
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    Quoting: MikeyG420
    Canucks laugh and block Dorion's number and email after seeing this


    It's very arguable sogaard > dipietro and Zaitsev can be buried easily for about a 3M$ total cap hit so it seems not too lopsided ultimately, no?

    Maybe not ideal

    I'm not too high on Myers- especially in his 30s
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    Oct 8 at 7:30
    #6
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    Pretty easy yes for Boston here
    Oct 8 at 11:30
    #7
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    - Don't really want to trade Jarventie

    - Ottawa will need Murray and he'll be good, not a worry

    - No chance I am trading Sogaard

    - No chance the Sens will trade Sokolov

    - Don't think Ottawa will trade Holden who might be their 3rd best D-man this year until Sanderson arrives.

    - Wait, with is the condition that Henrique gets over .75 points per game? I mean, he won't get that it's basically 62 pts. He actually never put 0.75, his highest was 0.69 in his 21 y/o season...

    Quoting: MikeyG420
    Canucks laugh and block Dorion's number and email after seeing this


    Care to explain why?
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    Oct 9 at 12:28
    #8
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    sens love Sokolov and hes pretty good, they wont give him away for free
    Oct 9 at 12:38
    #9
    MajorMoose
    Joined: Feb 2019
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    Quoting: Radu47
    It's very arguable sogaard > dipietro and Zaitsev can be buried easily for about a 3M$ total cap hit so it seems not too lopsided ultimately, no?

    Maybe not ideal

    I'm not too high on Myers- especially in his 30s


    how many years does zaitsev have left on his deal?
    Oct 9 at 8:21
    #10
    sensonfire
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    That Adam Henrique trade is a scam for the Ducks.

    Also, having Zach Sanford ahead of Connor Brown and then having Anton Forsberg as your starting goalie is a bit concerning.
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    Oct 9 at 10:14
    #11
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    Quoting: majormoose007
    how many years does zaitsev have left on his deal?


    Same term as Myers, 1.5 M$ less per year.

    It's a good swap, particularly if you're trying to create some AAV space

    Zaitsev is a bit overpaid (like Myers) but he's a good #5 or a passable #4, unfortunately overplayed in Ottawa due to the team status

    I don't mind the swap (the $$$ owed are similar for both players so it works for Melnyk)

    But no way I'm doing this if Sogaard is involved like in the OP proposal
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    Oct 9 at 2:29
    #12
    NotJimBenning
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    Quoting: Xspyrit
    - Don't really want to trade Jarventie

    - Ottawa will need Murray and he'll be good, not a worry

    - No chance I am trading Sogaard

    - No chance the Sens will trade Sokolov

    - Don't think Ottawa will trade Holden who might be their 3rd best D-man this year until Sanderson arrives.

    - Wait, with is the condition that Henrique gets over .75 points per game? I mean, he won't get that it's basically 62 pts. He actually never put 0.75, his highest was 0.69 in his 21 y/o season...



    Care to explain why?


    This trade just doesn't make much sense for the Canucks. It's a steep price to pay for $1.5M worth of cap savings. Myers is better than Zaitsev, that will not change. Citing a higher cap hit, etc. will not lead to this swap ever being worth it for the Canucks given that he has improved his play and actually warrants a top 4 spot again. If he is moved, he will be moved for a big addition (Good young D-man like Dante Fabbro, or as part of a package to acquire a top six winger like Tkachuck).

    DiPietro is a stud, he will be our backup next season - a good one at that. It'll be the first time since Luongo and Schneider that the Canucks have had a solid goalie tandem (Demko and Markstrom ended just before they would've become a good tandem). DiPietro could eventually play at the level where he would be considered a 1B, which is a must for the team moving forward, we need to have a 1B calibre goalie behind Demko so that his workload is manageable. I know Sogaard, he's solid. But he isn't DiPietro. I view that swap how Sens fans would view a Brannstrom for Juolevi one-for-one deal. It's lopsided for those who understand the team and their players but seems fair to an outsider who looks at their face value (draft position, placing on the organizational depth chart, stats, etc.).

    I appreciate the creativity, but these types of deals aren't possible to justify from the Canucks' point of view. Each one of these swaps, they lose the better player, even if slightly. Definitely not worth the cap savings.
    Oct 10 at 9:51
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    Edited Oct 10 at 9:57
    Quoting: MikeyG420
    This trade just doesn't make much sense for the Canucks. It's a steep price to pay for $1.5M worth of cap savings. Myers is better than Zaitsev, that will not change. Citing a higher cap hit, etc. will not lead to this swap ever being worth it for the Canucks given that he has improved his play and actually warrants a top 4 spot again. If he is moved, he will be moved for a big addition (Good young D-man like Dante Fabbro, or as part of a package to acquire a top six winger like Tkachuck).

    DiPietro is a stud, he will be our backup next season - a good one at that. It'll be the first time since Luongo and Schneider that the Canucks have had a solid goalie tandem (Demko and Markstrom ended just before they would've become a good tandem). DiPietro could eventually play at the level where he would be considered a 1B, which is a must for the team moving forward, we need to have a 1B calibre goalie behind Demko so that his workload is manageable. I know Sogaard, he's solid. But he isn't DiPietro. I view that swap how Sens fans would view a Brannstrom for Juolevi one-for-one deal. It's lopsided for those who understand the team and their players but seems fair to an outsider who looks at their face value (draft position, placing on the organizational depth chart, stats, etc.).

    I appreciate the creativity, but these types of deals aren't possible to justify from the Canucks' point of view. Each one of these swaps, they lose the better player, even if slightly. Definitely not worth the cap savings.


    It's your choice if you don't want to make the deal but you said "Canucks laugh and block Dorion's number and email after seeing this"

    What was laughable about this and so outrageous to block Dorion's number and email?

    I'm not the OP, I was just wondering what could possibly make you say that

    1) I have no idea how you can say "he will be moved for a big addition"

    I mean, Canucks fans THEMSELVES are talking like Myers is a fairly big cap dump, and not just on this site. People say that it would take an asset (or more) to move him. According to most, he doesn't have positive value at all. Here's a recent example on CF :

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2833713

    Myers is in a very similar boat as Zaitsev, except that Zaitsev's boat is smaller.

    2) "I view that swap how Sens fans would view a Brannstrom for Juolevi one-for-one deal"... If you think there's this kind of gap between DiPietro and Sogaard, then it's becoming clear that you're simply biased.

    Sogaard is 18 months younger. I saw most of his AHL games as a 20 y/o and he made look easy. Even if an off-game, he was still making the big saves to get the Win. 6'7 quick athletic goalies don't grow on trees. Here's a ranking based on polls I have made this summer on a major hockey fans site :

    #1- Spencer Knight
    #2- Yaroslav Askarov
    #3- Jake Oettinger
    #4- Jeremy Swayman
    #5- Kaapo Kähkönen
    #6- Lukáš Dostál
    #7- Filip Gustavsson
    #8- Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen
    #9- Cayden Primeau
    #10- Michael DiPietro
    #11- Dustin Wolf
    #12- Mads Søgaard
    #13- Joey Daccord
    #14- Justus Annunen
    #15- Daniel Vladar

    Canucks often vote for their own players in waves (they've been caught before for cheating polls and their player got disqualified lol), one of the very few fanbase to do that so maybe MD ended up above Sogaard for that reason but even if you think it's perfectly legit, they are ranked pretty close so not much difference at the moment. I personally think it won't be close in the future, which is why I wouldn't make that trade.
     
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