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Team: 2021-22 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 8, 2021
Published: Oct. 8, 2021
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Sharks rebuild by a sharks fan. Goal is to open up cape space in order to resgin players. Ferraro will be top priority, followed by Knyzhov, and then the rest. I put Chytil with Ekulnd and Barabanov to give him a bigger shot to prove himself.

Dahlen-Couture-Meier 2nd Line Quality
Eklund-Chytil-Barabanov 2nd Line Quality (Depending on how well Eklund does and if Barabanov is the real deal)
Balcers-Bonino-Labanc 3rd Line Quality
Raska-Weatherby-Pederson 4th Line Quality (Young and energetic 4th Line that could be a future 3rd Line)

Goal is to tank for Wright and Bedard, then leap back into playoff contention.
Scratches are ordered in which I think the depth chart will look like.
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. 2022 6th round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Simek, Radim
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Not much to say here, Simek is a decent Dman that can be versatile.
2.
SJS
  1. 2022 6th round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Cogliano, Andrew
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Idk who wants him honestly, but he would be just a plug with the Sharks and should be moved.
3.
SJS
  1. 2023 4th round pick (TBL)
TBL
  1. Gambrell, Dylan
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Tampa's great coaching staff has done wonder when it comes to development. Even if Gambrell is 24 there is still talent that can be recovered.
4.
SJS
  1. Chytil, Filip
  2. Schneider, Braden
  3. 2022 1st round pick (NYR)
  4. 2023 3rd round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Hertl, Tomas
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Sharks NEED to get as much as possible from a Hertl trade. One way to do that is have and extension in place. Hertl has said he would be open to taking a discount with a competitive club. Rangers are a great fit and I'd say the contract would be around 7,500,000 for 7 years (Hertl could easily fetch upwards of 8+ on the open market). It would give them the ability to let Mika walk if he wants too much and instead keep that duo of Strome and Panarin together (I think keeping Mika and having Hertl and Panarin would be even better though). The Sharks could also encourage a bidding war and squeak out a bit more in value that way.
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2022
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Oct. 8, 2021 at 10:44 p.m.
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If the Rangers won't give up those assets for Eichel, they won't for Hertl.
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Oct. 8, 2021 at 10:48 p.m.
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If the Rangers won't give up those assets for Eichel, they won't for Hertl.


I understand that, this is from a sharks stand point. Tried my best to give the trade some reason behind it.
Oct. 8, 2021 at 10:53 p.m.
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Seems like an awfully hefty price for Hertl…

He’s good, and sure, swing for the moon — but that’s a lot to ask from NYR.
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Oct. 8, 2021 at 11:20 p.m.
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Seems like an awfully hefty price for Hertl…

He’s good, and sure, swing for the moon — but that’s a lot to ask from NYR.


Good players cost. You want to send Zach Jones and Pajuniemi then you can get Granlund.

Hertl is a top 25 C in the game. Those aren't free.
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Oct. 8, 2021 at 11:27 p.m.
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Quoting: gary_bettman
Good players cost. You want to send Zach Jones and Pajuniemi then you can get Granlund.

Hertl is a top 25 C in the game. Those aren't free.


Top 15 honestly
Oct. 8, 2021 at 11:47 p.m.
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Seems like an awfully hefty price for Hertl…

He’s good, and sure, swing for the moon — but that’s a lot to ask from NYR.


Let me give a few reasons why he is worth that much;

1. His career faceoff % is 52.9. In that past 2 years it was 54.81 (2019-2020) and 55.23 (2020-2021). The Rangers don't have a single center with above 50 % faceoff wins, the closest is Zibanejad at 49.3.
2. Hertl's shooting % is at 17. Mika is the closest with 14% (though Mika took 49 more shots).
3. (Ik +/- isn't a great stat, but it's something to consider) Hertl was a +1 through out last season, Mika only beats him out with a +2.
4. Hertl is by far and away a better defensive forward then both Mika and Strome.
5. While playing with a carousel of wingers, Hertl notched on 7 less points then Mika with 6 less games.

My point is Hertl is worth as much as Mika, if not more. He is worth that price. Hertl is a top 15 center.
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Oct. 8, 2021 at 11:49 p.m.
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Top 15 honestly


1. McDavid
2. Crosby
3. Matthews
4. Draisaitl
5. Barkov
6. Point
7.Mackinnon
8. Schiefele
9. Tavares
10. Bergeron
11. O’reilly
12. Zibanejad
13. Barzal
14. Pettersson
15. Couturier
16. Toews
17. Backstrom
18. Lindholm
19. Kopitar
20. Seguin
21. Eichel
22. Malkin
23. Suzuki
24. Kuznetsov
25. Hughes
26. Monahan.

Which 12 guys is hertl better than?
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Oct. 8, 2021 at 11:56 p.m.
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Let me give a few reasons why he is worth that much;

1. His career faceoff % is 52.9. In that past 2 years it was 54.81 (2019-2020) and 55.23 (2020-2021). The Rangers don't have a single center with above 50 % faceoff wins, the closest is Zibanejad at 49.3.
2. Hertl's shooting % is at 17. Mika is the closest with 14% (though Mika took 49 more shots).
3. (Ik +/- isn't a great stat, but it's something to consider) Hertl was a +1 through out last season, Mika only beats him out with a +2.
4. Hertl is by far and away a better defensive forward then both Mika and Strome.
5. While playing with a carousel of wingers, Hertl notched on 7 less points then Mika with 6 less games.

My point is Hertl is worth as much as Mika, if not more. He is worth that price. Hertl is a top 15 center.


1. Face offs are really really important. It’s not something that’s addressed with a top prospect, a really good young roster player, a 1st, and a 2nd. That’s something you throw a 3rd round pick at for a good depth vet center that can play PK and win face offs.
2. Hertl’s shooting percentage was 17% over 50 games last season. It’s 13.4 for his career…meaning it will very likely return to normal.
3. +1? My god, put him in the hall. Tied for 284th in the league! You sure you couldn’t get a couple extra firsts?
4. Sure. But a good defensive center isn’t getting that package. That kind of package is more in the bonafide elite player category.
5. He only scored 7 fewer points is your argument as to why he’s worth at least as much? The dude scored 41 goals in 57 games.

It just kind of seems like you’re trying to talk yourself into your stance more than anything else.
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Oct. 9, 2021 at 12:03 a.m.
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Quoting: Bias_it_self
Let me give a few reasons why he is worth that much;

1. His career faceoff % is 52.9. In that past 2 years it was 54.81 (2019-2020) and 55.23 (2020-2021). The Rangers don't have a single center with above 50 % faceoff wins, the closest is Zibanejad at 49.3.
2. Hertl's shooting % is at 17. Mika is the closest with 14% (though Mika took 49 more shots).
3. (Ik +/- isn't a great stat, but it's something to consider) Hertl was a +1 through out last season, Mika only beats him out with a +2.
4. Hertl is by far and away a better defensive forward then both Mika and Strome.
5. While playing with a carousel of wingers, Hertl notched on 7 less points then Mika with 6 less games.

My point is Hertl is worth as much as Mika, if not more. He is worth that price. Hertl is a top 15 center.


No Corsi tho

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That's the best way to make a case for him lol
Oct. 9, 2021 at 12:05 a.m.
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Love Hertl and think he's worth more than most people on this site let on, but that's asking too much.
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Oct. 9, 2021 at 12:08 a.m.
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I'd cite Hertl's deceptive age as the key downside

28 in about a month

Not a huge negative but gives pause a bit
Oct. 9, 2021 at 12:09 a.m.
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1. McDavid
2. Crosby
3. Matthews
4. Draisaitl
5. Barkov
6. Point
7.Mackinnon
8. Schiefele
9. Tavares
10. Bergeron
11. O’reilly
12. Zibanejad
13. Barzal
14. Pettersson
15. Couturier
16. Toews
17. Backstrom
18. Lindholm
19. Kopitar
20. Seguin
21. Eichel
22. Malkin
23. Suzuki
24. Kuznetsov
25. Hughes
26. Monahan.

Which 12 guys is hertl better than?


Nobody from Zibanejad and down is better than Hertl except for Eichel, who you for some reason have at 20. Honestly some of these names makes me think you watch hockey with your eyes closed. Lindholm?? Kuznetsov? Suzuki after one above average year?

These are the stats that matter and show Hertl is top 15-20
https://twitter.com/wwright88/status/1445444401224814605/photo/1
https://twitter.com/EvolvingWild/status/1432775202824507395/photo/1
Oct. 9, 2021 at 12:17 a.m.
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No Corsi tho

🙁

That's the best way to make a case for him lol


couldn't find it
Oct. 9, 2021 at 12:18 a.m.
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Love Hertl and think he's worth more than most people on this site let on, but that's asking too much.


With the extension and a possible bidding war, his price could go up. Though its a fair point.
Oct. 9, 2021 at 12:20 a.m.
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Nobody from Zibanejad and down is better than Hertl except for Eichel, who you for some reason have at 20. Honestly some of these names makes me think you watch hockey with your eyes closed. Lindholm?? Kuznetsov? Suzuki after one above average year?

These are the stats that matter and show Hertl is top 15-20
https://twitter.com/wwright88/status/1445444401224814605/photo/1
https://twitter.com/EvolvingWild/status/1432775202824507395/photo/1


There’s no order to the list. I ignore everything evolvingwild because everything evolvingwild is stupid.

Hertl over barzal? Seriously? Pettersson? Seguin? Couturier? Actually, that’s a good one to stop on.

Couturier is a legit selke candidate. Physical (more physical than Hertl), awesome defensively (better than Hertl, significantly), outscores Hertl by a wide margin (over the past four seasons .91 points per game vs Hertl’s .78). There’s really no argument for Hertl over Couturier. I do think there is a very good argument for Hertl over some of the players on this list. I don’t think there’s any argument for him being a top 15 center that isn’t loaded with bias and wishful thinking.

Do you actually think that Hertl is better than Toews, Seguin, Barzal, Couturier, Pettersson, Eichel, Malkin, and Backstrom?
Oct. 9, 2021 at 12:29 a.m.
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There’s no order to the list. I ignore everything evolvingwild because everything evolvingwild is stupid.

Hertl over barzal? Seriously? Pettersson? Seguin? Couturier? Actually, that’s a good one to stop on.


Couturier is a legit selke candidate. Physical (more physical than Hertl), awesome defensively (better than Hertl, significantly), outscores Hertl by a wide margin (over the past four seasons .91 points per game vs Hertl’s .78). There’s really no argument for Hertl over Couturier. I do think there is a very good argument for Hertl over some of the players on this list. I don’t think there’s any argument for him being a top 15 center that isn’t loaded with bias and wishful thinking.

Do you actually think that Hertl is better than Toews, Seguin, Barzal, Couturier, Pettersson, Eichel, Malkin, and Backstrom?


Couturier and Eichel, those are the two you may have cases on. Barzal and Petersson are worth more because of their age, but RIGHT NOW they are not better than Hertl, and every metric you could think of would back that. And Seguin? Are we still in 2016? as for the others you have on the bottom:

Yes, Yes, Yes, No, Yes, No, Yes, Yes

And I don't "think" he is, there are literally advanced statistics that I posted in my comment that show he's better. You think a 92 percentile player, 20th in the league per GAR projections, is not a top 15 player at his own position?

There is more to evaluating a player than point totals and there are ways to prove someone's abilities without just saying their "awesome defensively"
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Oct. 9, 2021 at 12:39 a.m.
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Couturier and Eichel, those are the two you may have cases on. Barzal and Petersson are worth more because of their age, but RIGHT NOW they are not better than Hertl, and every metric you could think of would back that. And Seguin? Are we still in 2016? as for the others you have on the bottom:

Yes, Yes, Yes, No, Yes, No, Yes, Yes

And I don't "think" he is, there are literally advanced statistics that I posted in my comment that show he's better. You think a 92 percentile player, 20th in the league per GAR projections, is not a top 15 player at his own position?

There is more to evaluating a player than point totals and there are ways to prove someone's abilities without just saying their "awesome defensively"


Every metric? If you want to talk about Corsi, find someone else, as i don’t think it has any value. I would hesitate to tell people about evaluating players defensively if you’re going to launch into metrics. You aren’t evaluating anything, you’re hoping numbers can just do it for you. Now, points aren’t everything, but when you’re talking about a top 15 center, they matter a lot. So, how about a metric like, i don’t know, scoring?

But, it seems like you like stuff on paper….has Hertl ever received a selke vote? Just one fifth place vote?
Toews certainly has, and he’s won. And he outscores Hertl. By kind of a ton.
Seguin game has certainly become more well rounded over the years….and there’s the whole scoring thing.
Barzal…i mean, cmon.
Couturier i don’t just have a case on. It’s open and shut. He’s better at literally everything. He won the selke in the last couple years, no?
Pettersson is just light years better than Hertl. His impact on the game is drastically better.
We’re on the same page with eichel.
Malkin i can see a strong debate for that one.
Backstrom….i just don’t get how you can go with hertl on this one. Backstrom outscores him…always. He’s been a selke candidate a whole bunch. Total package player.

Hertl is a real nice player, but any contending team that’s trading for him is going to have him as a 2C….because that’s what he is. A good 2C. 1st and a kicker, like it’s always been.
Oct. 9, 2021 at 12:41 a.m.
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Every metric? If you want to talk about Corsi, find someone else, as i don’t think it has any value.
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Sorry, stopped reading here. Have a good night
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Oct. 9, 2021 at 12:47 a.m.
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Sorry, stopped reading here. Have a good night


You should have kept reading. It’s really really really really clear you’re wrong and watching hockey (if you do), through teal colored glasses. Corsi is dumb. This game is subjective which is why we all like it. It’s more fun that way, and you’ll have a better understanding of the game.
Oct. 9, 2021 at 1:12 a.m.
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Couturier and Eichel, those are the two you may have cases on. Barzal and Petersson are worth more because of their age, but RIGHT NOW they are not better than Hertl, and every metric you could think of would back that. And Seguin? Are we still in 2016? as for the others you have on the bottom:

Yes, Yes, Yes, No, Yes, No, Yes, Yes

And I don't "think" he is, there are literally advanced statistics that I posted in my comment that show he's better. You think a 92 percentile player, 20th in the league per GAR projections, is not a top 15 player at his own position?

There is more to evaluating a player than point totals and there are ways to prove someone's abilities without just saying their "awesome defensively"


I am not saying your wrong but I would like to know which metrics you are using to compare Pettersson to Hertl?
EP is a very solid defensive player and has averaged .92 PPG over his career compared to Hertl's .64PPG.
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Per https://www.naturalstattrick.com, Hertl had a higher CF%, higher GF% higher xGF% last season, and when Hertl was on, the on-ice SV% was .9108, compared to .8852 for Petersson. Those aren't the only stats that matter, and that last one isn't necessarily the greatest measure of defensive performance, but they do seem to suggest Hertl was the better player last year. I have no doubt that Petersson will reach a higher peak than Hertl ever did, and it will probably happen soon, I would say that if I was ranking them just for right now though I'd take Hertl.
Oct. 9, 2021 at 1:25 a.m.
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I am not saying your wrong but I would like to know which metrics you are using to compare Pettersson to Hertl?
EP is a very solid defensive player and has averaged .92 PPG over his career compared to Hertl's .64PPG.


Per https://www.naturalstattrick.com, Hertl had a higher CF%, higher GF% higher xGF% last season, and when Hertl was on, the on-ice SV% was .9108, compared to .8852 for Petersson. Those aren't the only stats that matter, and that last one isn't necessarily the greatest measure of defensive performance, but they do seem to suggest Hertl was the better player last year. I have no doubt that Petersson will reach a higher peak than Hertl ever did, and it will probably happen soon, I would say that if I was ranking them just for right now though I'd take Hertl.
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Oct. 9, 2021 at 2:14 a.m.
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Per https://www.naturalstattrick.com, Hertl had a higher CF%, higher GF% higher xGF% last season, and when Hertl was on, the on-ice SV% was .9108, compared to .8852 for Petersson. Those aren't the only stats that matter, and that last one isn't necessarily the greatest measure of defensive performance, but they do seem to suggest Hertl was the better player last year. I have no doubt that Petersson will reach a higher peak than Hertl ever did, and it will probably happen soon, I would say that if I was ranking them just for right now though I'd take Hertl.


The stats you quote are true, however EP was playing injured for most of his very short season last year. If you go back one year further, EP rated higher in all 3 of those categories, in two of them by a significant margin.
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Oct. 9, 2021 at 4:04 a.m.
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It’s really really really really clear your wrong

"YOUR wrong"
The irony says it all, doesn't it?
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Oct. 9, 2021 at 5:05 a.m.
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No thank you sir. Having two centers signed into their mid to late 30s on expensive contracts is not the way I’d go for our team. I’d still take Mika over Hertl. I’ll keep the assets instead of making this trade.
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