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Center TDL

Created by: MinnesnowtaWild
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 14, 2021
Published: Oct. 14, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Minnesota Wild
Team Explanation
If Rossi isn't ready this makes sense for the Wild. Friedman mentioned that Larkin will be a UFA before Detroit is any good, so would they be willing to move him?

Rask is cap dump
Trades
1.
MIN
  1. Larkin, Dylan ($3,050,000 retained)
DET
  1. Rask, Victor
  2. Khusnutdinov, Marat [Reserve List]
  3. 2022 1st round pick (MIN)
  4. 2022 2nd round pick (MIN)
Buyouts
  • Ryan Suter: $2,371,794
  • Zach Parise: $2,371,794
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
MIN
MIN
MIN
SJS
MIN
2023
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2024
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$78,383,919$0$600,000$3,116,081
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MIN
Kaprizov, Kirill
$9,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
MIN
Eriksson Ek, Joel
$5,250,000
C
UFA - 8
MIN
Zuccarello, Mats
$6,000,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
MIN
Fiala, Kevin
$5,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
DET
Larkin, Dylan
$3,050,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
MIN
Boldy, Matthew
$880,833
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MIN
Greenway, Jordan
$2,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
$1,700,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
$3,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
MIN
Duhaime, Brandon
$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MIN
Sturm, Nico
$725,000
C
UFA - 1
MIN
Gaudreau, Frédérick
$1,200,000
C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
$6,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
MIN
Dumba, Matt
$6,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Talbot, Cam
$3,666,667
G
UFA - 2
MIN
Goligoski, Alex
$5,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 1
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
$7,575,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
MIN
Kähkönen, Kaapo
$725,000
G
RFA - 1
MIN
Kulikov, Dmitry
$2,250,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Merrill, Jon
$850,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
MIN
Pitlick, Rem
$917,831
C, RW
RFA - 1
MIN
Bjugstad, Nick
$900,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
MIN
Benn, Jordie
$900,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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Oct. 14, 2021 at 1:30 p.m.
#1
scott sabourin
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i don't think it's enough to move the needle for detroit. two years at half retained would warrant boldy instead of a second rounder IMO
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Oct. 14, 2021 at 1:31 p.m.
#2
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Reasons why Dylan won't be moved unless he asks the Illitches to let him go:

1. DET doesn't trade its captains. They've had 3 in 38 years for that reason.
2. DL is a hometown kid. Play in LIttle Caesars, and at U of M.
3. The Wings and Tigers are run as a family business. There is more than just the product on the ice. Community connection and marketing are huge.
4. DET has to become competitive, they have to pay for that stadium.
5. Unless DL asks to leave, DET will resign him.
6. That trade is garbage. MIN (and anyone else) would have to significantly overpay, even if DL asked to be traded. Yzerman knows what he's doing.
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Oct. 14, 2021 at 1:32 p.m.
#3
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While it's true Detroit won't likely make the playoffs before Larkin is a UFA, eventually you need to start keeping your players to have veterans to teach the younger players. I don't see why they wouldn't get him signed to a long-term extension next summer and keep him. He's only 25 and a great player that they could continue to build around.
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Oct. 14, 2021 at 1:35 p.m.
#4
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Quoting: TMarch
Reasons why Dylan won't be moved unless he asks the Illitches to let him go:

1. DET doesn't trade its captains. They've had 3 in 38 years for that reason.
2. DL is a hometown kid. Play in LIttle Caesars, and at U of M.
3. The Wings and Tigers are run as a family business. There is more than just the product on the ice. Community connection and marketing are huge.
4. DET has to become competitive, they have to pay for that stadium.
5. Unless DL asks to leave, DET will resign him.
6. That trade is garbage. MIN (and anyone else) would have to significantly overpay, even if DL asked to be traded. Yzerman knows what he's doing.


Everything in this statement is spot on. You would have to start the conversation with boldy or rossi or both to warrant any desire to trade Larkin. Adding in retention would just make it that much more.
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Oct. 14, 2021 at 1:39 p.m.
#5
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Larkin won't get moved, that's not enough to pry him from Detroit, especially with 50% retention and on top of that Minnesota will be just fine at center with some patience
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Oct. 14, 2021 at 1:40 p.m.
#6
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I’d argue that this only makes sense IF Rossi is ready to go…
Oct. 14, 2021 at 1:45 p.m.
#7
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Edited Oct. 14, 2021 at 2:00 p.m.
Quoting: Lancebmx
Everything in this statement is spot on. You would have to start the conversation with boldy or rossi or both to warrant any desire to trade Larkin. Adding in retention would just make it that much more.


I think Larkin would have to be unwilling to extend before he's traded. If he refused to extend, you're not getting Boldy and Rossi (and certainly not both lol) though. That's not the way trades work in real life. Look at what Duchene brought in for the Avs, that's a realistic starting point. Minus the #4 overall pick because that was purely luck the pick ended up being that.
Oct. 14, 2021 at 2:55 p.m.
#8
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laugh laugh You can't be serious? We retain 50% on our hometown Captain. For basically a cap dump in Rask and futures. No freaking way you're getting Larkin without Rossi being involved and fat chance he'd ever sign long term anyways with Minnesota. He's already said that he wants to be a career Red Wing he's not going anywhere. 30 other NHL teams would easily blow away this offer. Who freaking cares what Friedman says Yzerman was 32 years old when Detroit won it's first cup and was with the team for 14 years. Larkin just turned 25 2 1/2 months ago he still has 7 more years until he's in the same position as Yzerman. And Yzerman already said that Larkin is one of the untouchables along with Raymond and Seider. Larkin sure as hell would cost far more then your offer..
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Oct. 14, 2021 at 3:01 p.m.
#9
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Quoting: JayTea
I think Larkin would have to be unwilling to extend before he's traded. If he refused to extend, you're not getting Boldy and Rossi (and certainly not both lol) though. That's not the way trades work in real life. Look at what Duchene brought in for the Avs, that's a realistic starting point. Minus the #4 overall pick because that was purely luck the pick ended up being that.


laugh Who freaking cares what Duchene got? You're talking over 7 years ago or so if not more. You sure as hell aren't getting Larkin for 2 years at 50% retention without one of Boldy or Rossi being available. For that OP is a royal joke and nowhere near Larkins value.
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Oct. 14, 2021 at 3:39 p.m.
#10
PlusMinus is stupid
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Larkin isn't available.

/thread
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Oct. 14, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.
#11
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Quoting: JayTea
I think Larkin would have to be unwilling to extend before he's traded. If he refused to extend, you're not getting Boldy and Rossi (and certainly not both lol) though. That's not the way trades work in real life. Look at what Duchene brought in for the Avs, that's a realistic starting point. Minus the #4 overall pick because that was purely luck the pick ended up being that.


Please clear something up for me you said:

"you're not getting Boldy and Rossi (and certainly not both lol) "

Did you mean Boldy or Rossi? By saying Boldy and Rossi that infers together making this redundant "(and certainly not both lol)"
Oct. 14, 2021 at 4:12 p.m.
#12
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
laugh Who freaking cares what Duchene got? You're talking over 7 years ago or so if not more. You sure as hell aren't getting Larkin for 2 years at 50% retention without one of Boldy or Rossi being available. For that OP is a royal joke and nowhere near Larkins value.


4 years ago... lol
Oct. 14, 2021 at 4:22 p.m.
#13
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Quoting: JayTea
4 years ago... lol


So what happened 4 years ago, has nothing to do with now.
Oct. 14, 2021 at 5:02 p.m.
#14
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
So what happened 4 years ago, has nothing to do with now.


It's the most recent time a top 6 center has been traded for a package and Duchene in 2017 is absolutely a comparable player to Larkin in 2021 in ability. The remaining term is the same and player's status as a UFA at the end is also the same, so it makes the most sense to draw a comparison to.

Feel free to give a better comparison to use.
Oct. 14, 2021 at 5:05 p.m.
#15
Oui non grille-pain
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As a Wild fan, I both love and hate this deal. In a vacuum, it'd be great to get Larkin for cheap. But on the flipside, Rossi shouldn't need too much time, and we need to keep as many futures as possible. We're not one piece away; we're several pieces away.
 
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