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Stop the Marner Trades Read Desc

Created by: Janasazi
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 17, 2021
Published: Oct. 17, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
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Can Leafs fans stop being so hysterical? It’s only been 3 games and I’ve already seen 6 ACGMs complaining that our season is embarrassing, let’s trade Marner, Ho-Sang will save us etc.

Take a deep breath, let a good sample size of the season play out and then make some informed suggestions.
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Ritchie, Nick
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Matthews, Auston
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Marner, Mitchell
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Engvall, Pierre
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Tavares, John
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Nylander, William
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Bunting, Michael
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Kase, Ondrej
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Spezza, Jason
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Kämpf, David
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Simmonds, Wayne
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Muzzin, Jake
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Rielly, Morgan
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Holl, Justin
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Campbell, Jack
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Sandin, Rasmus
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Dermott, Travis
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Liljegren, Timothy
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Semyonov, Kirill
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Oct. 17, 2021 at 4:48 p.m.
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I think signing Tavares sunk this team. That money could've been used to really patch some sizable and necessary holes.
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Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:11 p.m.
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marner bad
Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:19 p.m.
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Its the same 6 trolls who are posing as leaf fans. Its tired and stupid.
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Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
I think signing Tavares sunk this team. That money could've been used to really patch some sizable and necessary holes.


Like what? What sizable holes? 2C? Or do you mean they could massively overpay depth LW like Hyman instead of paying top dollar for an elite player.
Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:30 p.m.
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If Tavares could finish Marner would’ve had at least 2 assists last night he’s been fine, creating lots of chances, the production will come. He’s never been a goal scorer so he needs his line mates to convert those chances. Feel like most of his hate comes from his big cap hit. “Not an 11 million dollar player” “overpaid” “1 assist for 11mil”. They need to let it go, there’s no changing it now, would it be great if he made less? Absolutely, he’s still a great player though.
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Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:36 p.m.
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If you don't like them, don't click on them. It's literally a pretend trade site. Do you know how many Nylander trades I've seen on here? Quit whining and ****ing because everyone isn't a Marner fan boy.
Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Nylander88
If you don't like them, don't click on them. It's literally a pretend trade site. Do you know how many Nylander trades I've seen on here? Quit whining and ****ing because everyone isn't a Marner fan boy.


Just like everyone has the right to make those Marner trades, he has the right to say they’re annoying, it has to go both ways. It’s just like you clicking on this to complain about his post, awfully hypocritical.
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Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
I think signing Tavares sunk this team. That money could've been used to really patch some sizable and necessary holes.


Same thing like Panarin, Trouba, Kreider, Goodrow and Mika. We spent half the cap and completely screwed up the rebuild. We can’t develop offensive prospects to save our damn life. This team already has cap issues as soon as next season and we have not even contended yet. Pathetic how bad everything got screwed up. This team is going nowhere, but being mediocre for the next decade. Simply disgraceful.
Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:52 p.m.
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Quoting: AustonMatthews3443
Just like everyone has the right to make those Marner trades, he has the right to say they’re annoying, it has to go both ways. It’s just like you clicking on this to complain about his post, awfully hypocritical.


I didn't say he didn't have a right to respond to them, Einstein. Just like I'm responding to him. I'm pointing out he made a thread on a trade site complaining about people making trades. He has no trade. I'm sorry the distinction is lost on you.
Oct. 17, 2021 at 6:01 p.m.
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the "fans" making these trades arent fans. im convinced. like we are three games in
Oct. 17, 2021 at 6:07 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 17, 2021 at 6:13 p.m.
Quoting: Nylander88
I didn't say he didn't have a right to respond to them, Einstein. Just like I'm responding to him. I'm pointing out he made a thread on a trade site complaining about people making trades. He has no trade. I'm sorry the distinction is lost on you.


These types of posts are made all the time, they probably don’t belong in ACGM and instead should be just a comment but who cares and here more people will see it. There is nothing pointing to a distinction between what you originally said and “he made a thread to complain about threads he has no trade” which is a valid point and I partially agree. I appreciate you complimenting my intelligence though.
Oct. 17, 2021 at 6:16 p.m.
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Quoting: AustonMatthews3443
These types of posts are made all the time, they probably don’t belong in ACGM and instead should be just a comment but who cares and here more people will see it. There is nothing pointing to a distinction between what you originally said and “he made a thread to complain about threads he has no trade”. I appreciate you complimenting my intelligence though.


I said, "IT'S LITERALLY A PRETEND TRADE SITE", you know where people make pretend trades.

I'm sorry that it has to be so clearly spelt out. The only reason I even bothered commenting on this, is because it was entirely made to complain about trades.
Oct. 17, 2021 at 6:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Sandin4Norris
I said, "IT'S LITERALLY A PRETEND TRADE SITE", you know where people make pretend trades.

I'm sorry that it has to be so clearly spelt out. The only reason I even bothered commenting on this, is because it was entirely made to complain about trades.


Fair, just the comment about not clicking on them if you don’t like them is where what you said got lost on me. Anyways this is a dumb arguement which is my fault for starting in the first place lol so my bad I get what you’re trying to say now.
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Oct. 17, 2021 at 6:32 p.m.
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Like what? What sizable holes? 2C? Or do you mean they could massively overpay depth LW like Hyman instead of paying top dollar for an elite player.


In my personal opinion, All I thought Toronto needed at the time was an elite 2-way defenseman, fill the holes in the bottom 6, and find their goalie. Not another massive offensive weapon with an equally as large price tag.
Oct. 17, 2021 at 6:32 p.m.
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Quoting: AustonMatthews3443
Fair, just the comment about not clicking on them if you don’t like them is where what you said got lost on me. Anyways this is a dumb arguement which is my fault for starting in the first place lol so my bad I get what you’re trying to say now.


Indeed. I wish I never clicked on this now! lol

We all have more important concerns, like will Matthews suit up tomorrow or will they give him until the Sharks game to be 100%.

Cheers.
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Oct. 17, 2021 at 6:32 p.m.
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Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448
Same thing like Panarin, Trouba, Kreider, Goodrow and Mika. We spent half the cap and completely screwed up the rebuild. We can’t develop offensive prospects to save our damn life. This team already has cap issues as soon as next season and we have not even contended yet. Pathetic how bad everything got screwed up. This team is going nowhere, but being mediocre for the next decade. Simply disgraceful.


Kreider and Goodrow are the only ones I disagreed with the whole way.
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Oct. 17, 2021 at 6:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Sandin4Norris
If you don't like them, don't click on them. It's literally a pretend trade site. Do you know how many Nylander trades I've seen on here? Quit whining and ****ing because everyone isn't a Marner fan boy.


You clearly didn't read the description because all you're responding to is the title of the ACGM, not the description.

My problem is with some Leafs fans making overly hysterical comments and trades when it's 3 games into the season and the Leafs have won 2 of them.

That's not rational and I have every right to call it out if I want to.

Is this website just a forum for idiots who hyper-react to every little thing or can there be room for some insightful and interesting trade talk as well?

You and I both know that a Marner trade isn't going to happen and the Leafs aren't going to blow everything up 3 games into the season when they've won 2 of their last 3.
Oct. 17, 2021 at 7:28 p.m.
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You do realize this post probably made it worse.
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Oct. 17, 2021 at 7:36 p.m.
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You do realize this post probably made it worse.


Yea...I'm realizing that right now.

Right after this ACGM there's another 2-3 troll posts about tearing it all down.

This stuff gets attention and some people live for trolling.
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Oct. 17, 2021 at 8:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
In my personal opinion, All I thought Toronto needed at the time was an elite 2-way defenseman, fill the holes in the bottom 6, and find their goalie. Not another massive offensive weapon with an equally as large price tag.


Looking at their defence now, it's pretty damn good. Campbell looks like the real deal and the bottom 6 is fine. They don't have holes.
Oct. 17, 2021 at 8:10 p.m.
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Looking at their defence now, it's pretty damn good. Campbell looks like the real deal and the bottom 6 is fine. They don't have holes.


I don't know. Just don't see it the same way.
Oct. 17, 2021 at 11:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
I don't know. Just don't see it the same way.


Everyone outside of TO wants to see it that the core 4 are the problem. Wanting something doesn't make it a reality.
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In fairness, it’s more like five years, not just three games.
Oct. 18, 2021 at 12:11 a.m.
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Everyone outside of TO wants to see it that the core 4 are the problem. Wanting something doesn't make it a reality.


Never said that. I just don't think signing Tavares was a smart decision. My opinion on the other 3 isn't relevant to what I feel the team is lacking.
Oct. 18, 2021 at 6:51 a.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Never said that. I just don't think signing Tavares was a smart decision. My opinion on the other 3 isn't relevant to what I feel the team is lacking.


What is the team lacking? This is what you have said a few times now, "JT means they can't patch holes" what holes?
 
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