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What should Buffalo get from Colorado if Buffalo agreed to retain Eichels salary

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Team: 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche
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      Forget that there is 5 million in retention specifically.
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        The question is what should Buffalo get from Colorado if Buffalo retained Eichel's salary.


        It can be any amount of your choosing.


        I apologize for the lack of clarity.
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 4:47 p.m.
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        Am Yisrael Chai
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        $5M retained?

        Definitely talking Newhook + Byram.
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 4:49 p.m.
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        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        $5M retained?

        Definitely talking Newhook + Byram.


        No specific amount per se.

        I just went with half for the fun of it.
        Oct. 17, 2021 at 4:54 p.m.
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        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        $5M retained?

        Definitely talking Newhook + Byram.


        there is absolutely no way Byram is even mentioned in a trade talks
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 4:56 p.m.
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        Given pieces would be a 1st and Newhook. Probably at least one prospect in the Kaut, Helleson and Olausson category. And something has to come off the roster bc of the cap, Compher is the likely candidate in that case. I think those pieces would be the best educated guesses at this time.
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 4:56 p.m.
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        Quoting: coga16
        there is absolutely no way Byram is even mentioned in a trade talks


        Who should be?
        Oct. 17, 2021 at 4:56 p.m.
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        Quoting: coga16
        Given pieces would be a 1st and Newhook. Probably at least one prospect in the Kaut, Helleson and Olausson category. And something has to come off the roster bc of the cap, Compher is the likely candidate in that case. I think those pieces would be the best educated guesses at this time.


        Thanks
        Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:03 p.m.
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        Buffalo is not retaining…..lol
        Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:05 p.m.
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        Newhook + Kadri + 1st + 1st or Olausson/Barron/etc
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:06 p.m.
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        Quoting: UpsideDownQue
        Newhook + Kadri + 1st + 1st or Olausson/Barron/etc


        unless its pre-arranged that kadri is getting flipped, there is no way buffalo is on his approved trade list, hes blocking that 100%
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:09 p.m.
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        Quoting: coga16
        unless its pre-arranged that kadri is getting flipped, there is no way buffalo is on his approved trade list, hes blocking that 100%


        for sure he would get flipped, I doubt BUF would even want to keep him anyway
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:13 p.m.
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        Quoting: UpsideDownQue
        for sure he would get flipped, I doubt BUF would even want to keep him anyway


        the only problem in moving kadri then him being flipped is then the Avs have a hole at 2c for 4 months+ with no kadri and no newhook. Jost cannot handle it, neither can Compher.
        Its 6 weeks after Eichel has his surgery that he would be good to get back skating but 3-4 months until he is cleared.

        Create a huge whole in the top 6 this way and playing with fire IMO
        Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:23 p.m.
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        At 5mil retention I’d expect it would never happen. That’s 5 years of Buffalo dealing with -5mil on their cap and within 3 years they’ll need that money for their younger players.
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:42 p.m.
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        Quoting: coga16
        unless its pre-arranged that kadri is getting flipped, there is no way buffalo is on his approved trade list, hes blocking that 100%


        He'd get flipped, but now that Ristolainen is gone I'm not sure Buffalo would definitely be on his no trade list. Buffalo is closer to his home town and he'd get to play a prominent role with PP1 time in a contract year. More than likely they are on his no trade list though, just not as likely as it was before this offseason.
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:43 p.m.
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        $5m x 5 retention would be absurd. No way that would happen.

        If retention happens it would likely be in the $1m - $1.5m range, and even then it would probably cost a 1st. That's $5m - $7.5m real dollars after all.
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:48 p.m.
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        Quoting: jet11567
        Buffalo is not retaining…..lol


        Quoting: thewookie1
        At 5mil retention I’d expect it would never happen. That’s 5 years of Buffalo dealing with -5mil on their cap and within 3 years they’ll need that money for their younger players.


        Quoting: Richard88
        $5m x 5 retention would be absurd. No way that would happen.

        If retention happens it would likely be in the $1m - $1.5m range, and even then it would probably cost a 1st. That's $5m - $7.5m real dollars after all.


        No specific amount per se.

        I just went with half for the fun of it.
        Oct. 17, 2021 at 5:48 p.m.
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        Quoting: Richard88
        He'd get flipped, but now that Ristolainen is gone I'm not sure Buffalo would definitely be on his no trade list. Buffalo is closer to his home town and he'd get to play a prominent role with PP1 time in a contract year. More than likely they are on his no trade list though, just not as likely as it was before this offseason.


        Kadri doesn’t care about playing pp1 on a contract year, he wants to win a cup, hes 31 already, he’s not leaving cup contenders to pad stats on a basement team. How did that work out for hall? Did squat on a more talented version of hnst team
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 6:34 p.m.
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        Quoting: coga16
        there is absolutely no way Byram is even mentioned in a trade talks


        That's up to Colorado. Still how the value would work.
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 6:46 p.m.
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        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        That's up to Colorado. Still how the value would work.


        I can guarantee you that Byram name isnt mentioned and a non starter, no different than Krebs in Vegas, some guys are just off limits
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 6:48 p.m.
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        Quoting: coga16
        I can guarantee you that Byram name isnt mentioned and a non starter, no different than Krebs in Vegas, some guys are just off limits


        I get it. The value I'm saying. $5M retained on Eichel for that term and caliber of a player? It constitutes that type of return. COL doesn't have to feel that way but it's universally accurate value assessment.
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 7:13 p.m.
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        Quoting: coga16
        Given pieces would be a 1st and Newhook. Probably at least one prospect in the Kaut, Helleson and Olausson category. And something has to come off the roster bc of the cap, Compher is the likely candidate in that case. I think those pieces would be the best educated guesses at this time.


        If they are retaining 5 Million it absolutely includes both, straight up probably newhook and a 1st. But if youre getting Jack Eichel at 5Mill for the next 5 years youre adding Byram
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 7:16 p.m.
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        If BUF agreed to retain 50%, if your top prospect is not involved the trade does not happen. For Colorado, it would have to start with Newhook, possibly Byram. I’m not that familiar with the Avs prospects, but one of those 2 would be guaranteed to be in that kind of package.
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 7:39 p.m.
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        Quoting: TM11
        If they are retaining 5 Million it absolutely includes both, straight up probably newhook and a 1st. But if youre getting Jack Eichel at 5Mill for the next 5 years youre adding Byram


        he just retained an arbitrary amount, read through the comments
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 7:41 p.m.
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        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        I get it. The value I'm saying. $5M retained on Eichel for that term and caliber of a player? It constitutes that type of return. COL doesn't have to feel that way but it's universally accurate value assessment.


        5m is just an arbitrary amount retained by Sensonfire, dont get side tracked by it being 5m, that is not really the point of this roster conversation
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        Oct. 17, 2021 at 7:54 p.m.
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        Quoting: coga16
        5m is just an arbitrary amount retained by Sensonfire, dont get side tracked by it being 5m, that is not really the point of this roster conversation


        Okay then.
        Oct. 17, 2021 at 7:58 p.m.
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        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        $5M retained?

        Definitely talking Newhook + Byram.


        Quoting: jet11567
        Buffalo is not retaining…..lol


        Quoting: thewookie1
        At 5mil retention I’d expect it would never happen. That’s 5 years of Buffalo dealing with -5mil on their cap and within 3 years they’ll need that money for their younger players.


        Quoting: Richard88
        $5m x 5 retention would be absurd. No way that would happen.

        If retention happens it would likely be in the $1m - $1.5m range, and even then it would probably cost a 1st. That's $5m - $7.5m real dollars after all.


        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        I get it. The value I'm saying. $5M retained on Eichel for that term and caliber of a player? It constitutes that type of return. COL doesn't have to feel that way but it's universally accurate value assessment.


        Quoting: evelutions2
        If BUF agreed to retain 50%, if your top prospect is not involved the trade does not happen. For Colorado, it would have to start with Newhook, possibly Byram. I’m not that familiar with the Avs prospects, but one of those 2 would be guaranteed to be in that kind of package.


        Quoting: coga16
        he just retained an arbitrary amount, read through the comments


        Quoting: coga16
        5m is just an arbitrary amount retained by Sensonfire, dont get side tracked by it being 5m, that is not really the point of this roster conversation


        Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
        Okay then.



        Please see my little note about retaining Eichel's salary.

        Once again, I apologize for the misunderstanding smile
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