Continuing the rebuild

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Created by: justaBoss

Team: 2021-22 San Jose Sharks

Initial Creation Date: Oct. 18, 2021

Published: Oct. 18, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Trades

SJS

Jones, Zachary
Pajuniemi, Lauri
2022 1st round pick (NYR)
2023 2nd round pick (NYR)

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2021-22 Trade deadline deal

NYR

Additional Details:

Taking example of the Duchene to CBJ trade, but that had a conditional 1st round pick in regards to him re-signing in CBJ, which is banned now in the current CBA, so I'm replacing that with an unconditional 2nd rounder. And before Sharks fans come tell me that Hertl's miles better than Duchene, he was in 95 point pace in freaking Ottawa the year he was traded, which is something Hertl has yet and probably never will achieve, so I see enough resemblance in their current situation to use Duchene as a fair comparison.

SJS

2023 4th round pick (NSH)

Additional Details:

2021-22 Trade deadline deal

NSH

Barabanov, Alexander

Buyouts

Martin Jones: $1,916,667
Evander Kane: $1,833,333

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$60,902,500	$0	$295,000	$20,597,500

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Dahlén, Jonathan $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Couture, Logan $8,000,000$8,000,000 C M-NTC UFA - 6	Meier, Timo $3,000,000$3,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Eklund, William $925,000$925,000 LW RFA - 5	Weatherby, Jasper $842,500$842,500 ($82,500$82K) C UFA - 2	Balcers, Rūdolfs $1,550,000$1,550,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Nieto, Matt $850,000$850,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Bonino, Nick $1,025,000$1,025,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Labanc, Kevin $4,725,000$4,725,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
Cogliano, Andrew $500,000$500,000 LW UFA - 1	Gambrell, Dylan $1,100,000$1,100,000 C UFA - 1	Pederson, Lane $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Ferraro, Mario $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) LD UFA - 1	Burns, Brent $5,280,000$5,280,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 4	Reimer, James $2,250,000$2,250,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Jones, Zachary $925,000$925,000 LD RFA - 2	Karlsson, Erik $10,000,000$10,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 6	Hill, Adin $2,175,000$2,175,000 G UFA - 2
Simek, Radim $2,250,000$2,250,000 LD/RD UFA - 3	Vlasic, Marc-Édouard $7,000,000$7,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 5

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Knyzhov, Nikolai $796,667$796,667 LD/RD UFA - 1
Gadjovich, Jonah $783,333$783,333 LW, RW UFA - 1
Gregor, Noah $750,000$750,000 LW, RW RFA - 1

Oct. 18, 2021 at 11:19 p.m.

NHLfan10506

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Not enough for Nick Merkley

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Oct. 18, 2021 at 11:24 p.m.

NHLfan10506

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(But good trade for Hertl)

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Oct. 18, 2021 at 11:27 p.m.

palhal

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I think it's way too much for Hertl by a the Rangers who were a non playoff team last season. Ottawa made the ill conceived Duchene acquisition after that gone to game 7 of the Conference final, so they were kinda in a win mode.

Oct. 18, 2021 at 11:34 p.m.

justaBoss

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Quoting: palhal

It's the CBJ trade I'm referring here. OTT was already starting their rebuild by that point. They got two decent prospect and two conditional firsts from CBJ. And CBJ wasn't in win now mode other than trying to maximize the rest of the time Panarin and Bobrovsky had left in that team.

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Oct. 18, 2021 at 11:39 p.m.

palhal

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Quoting: justaBoss

Thanks for the correction. Heck maybe you showed by the ill conceived Duchene trade by CBJ...maybe the Rangers shouldn't do acquire a rental either. Admitting Duchene helped CBJ win a playoff round and Duchene did have a good playoff.

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Oct. 18, 2021 at 11:39 p.m.

Devil

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Incoming Sharks fans saying that's not enough for Hertl (even though it is)

I would structure the deal
NYR gets: Hertl (extended)
SJS gets: Chytil, Jones, 1st

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Oct. 18, 2021 at 11:41 p.m.

Klara

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Quoting: Devil1122

Incoming Sharks fans saying that's not enough for Hertl (even though it is)

I would structure the deal
NYR gets: Hertl (extended)
SJS gets: Chytil, Jones, 1st

That’s literally the deal that most sharks fans have asked for.

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Oct. 18, 2021 at 11:46 p.m.

justaBoss

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Quoting: Devil1122

Incoming Sharks fans saying that's not enough for Hertl (even though it is)

I would structure the deal
NYR gets: Hertl (extended)
SJS gets: Chytil, Jones, 1st

Makes sense

Oct. 18, 2021 at 11:47 p.m.

crankshaft

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Quoting: Devil1122

Incoming Sharks fans saying that's not enough for Hertl (even though it is)

I would structure the deal
NYR gets: Hertl (extended)
SJS gets: Chytil, Jones, 1st

Chytil is the main piece we would want from NYR. Sorry to say but there are a TON of crap deals from people who haven't even read a Hertl stat in 3 years. Sorry to also say I see NJ fans declining fair trades for your prospects every day. It goes both ways my friend.

If you look at SJ's depth chart at LD you will notice it's plain to see another LD is not even remotely needed. Making blind trades without focusing on team needs is poor asset management. Try harder please.

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Oct. 18, 2021 at 11:52 p.m.

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Only thing, as a sharks fan, I would want different in the trade would be RD or C rather than Jones. I get Chytil might not be involved without an extension in place, but I would prefer him or Schneider.

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Oct. 19, 2021 at 12:07 a.m.

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Devil

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Quoting: crankshaft

What "fair" trade have Devils fans declined?

Oct. 19, 2021 at 12:14 a.m.

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Devil

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Quoting: Klara

That’s literally the deal that most sharks fans have asked for.

Not from what I've seen

I've mostly seen "A tier prospect + 1st for Hertl or no deal" which doesn't make much sense since no rental in recent years has gotten that type of return

Oct. 19, 2021 at 12:20 a.m.

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Klara

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Quoting: Devil1122

Not from what I've seen

I've mostly seen "A tier prospect + 1st for Hertl or no deal" which doesn't make much sense since no rental in recent years has gotten that type of return

Going back for months when ranger fans were obsessed with Hertl, the common understanding was literally the trade you posted. What SJ won't do is trade for a bunch of assets that don't fit the organization's needs at all, just because they are "fair value".

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Oct. 19, 2021 at 12:37 a.m.

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Quoting: crankshaft

I'd argue that if there's anything you guys need it's a quality LHD. They have one top4-LD and that's Ferraro - rest of them are all more or less 3rd pair D-men if that, but get to play in a better role because SJ simply has no better replacement.

Is Jones the answer you're looking for though is another question, but I'd say Jones would top your LHD prospect chart immediately.

Oct. 19, 2021 at 12:53 a.m.

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Radu47

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Yeah that Hertl trade seems quite good

I like Merkley replacing blackwell for them

If anything too much given how good Pajuniemi is

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Oct. 19, 2021 at 1:12 a.m.

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Klara

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Quoting: justaBoss

Knyzhov played extremely well in his rookie year, he's solidly the 2LD. Behind him theres Vlasic, Middleton, and Kniazev. Sharks already are having to move D over to their off side. More LD is the last thing SJ needs right now. Meanwhile, without Hertl, SJ's proven NHL centers are Couture and Bonino, with Bordeleau being the only notable center prospect in the system. That's an area of much greater need, hence Chytil.

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Oct. 19, 2021 at 1:48 a.m.

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Quoting: justaBoss

The Sharks need RD prospects. We have good LD prospects like Kniazev, who will make the team next year, and Hatakka who should be playing now. The only RD we have is Merkley. We are stuck with the vets so there’s not any room for more LD whether they are good or not. And, in case you weren’t aware, even if they are 3rd pairing D men, a hockey team still needs 3rd pair D men so we are good off LD.

Oct. 19, 2021 at 2:33 a.m.

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Quoting: Devil1122

Incoming Sharks fans saying that's not enough for Hertl (even though it is)

I would structure the deal
NYR gets: Hertl (extended)
SJS gets: Chytil, Jones, 1st

That is so much better than whats offered here. Not sure how you compare it.

Sharks fans have over and over said Chytil, 2022 first and a good prospect is what we want.

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Oct. 19, 2021 at 5:02 a.m.

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justaBoss

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Quoting: Klara

SJ's strength is LDs is in the numbers but not necessarily in the quality it seems. Knyzhov had a decent rookie year but can he keep that up and keep developing.

Quoting: glarson17

I'm well aware of a team needing 3rd pair D-men. What I'm more curious about is the fact you have 4 of them.

Quoting: papishark

That is so much better than whats offered here. Not sure how you compare it.

Sharks fans have over and over said Chytil, 2022 first and a good prospect is what we want.

The only difference between these offers are that Chytil is replaced by Pajuniemi+2nd. And Pajuniemi is pretty good. Sure, it's lacking the center but I'm just speaking about value here.

Oct. 19, 2021 at 5:46 a.m.

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Radu47

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Quoting: Klara

Yeah I'm a huge fan of knyzhov

Jones having top pair potential helps tho

Would make a nice complement to Ryan Merkley 😎

Oct. 19, 2021 at 8:28 a.m.

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Masonh618

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Rangers accept.

Oct. 19, 2021 at 1:24 p.m.

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papishark

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Quoting: justaBoss

SJ's strength is LDs is in the numbers but not necessarily in the quality it seems. Knyzhov had a decent rookie year but can he keep that up and keep developing.

I'm well aware of a team needing 3rd pair D-men. What I'm more curious about is the fact you have 4 of them.

The only difference between these offers are that Chytil is replaced by Pajuniemi+2nd. And Pajuniemi is pretty good. Sure, it's lacking the center but I'm just speaking about value here.

I just dont see it. I know he scored well in the Liga but hes not on the same tier as someone like Chytil and a center is what we really need.

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