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2021/22 NHL Season Discussion thread #2

Oct. 22, 2021 at 10:32 a.m.
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Ehh, McDavid definitely could reach 150, 200 though is a bit of a stretch, the only player to have reached 200 points is Gretzky and the only ones to have a 200 point pace are Gretzky and Lemieux
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 10:41 a.m.
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Me: Finally 2021-22 first analytics have been released!

Erik Gudbranson being the 5th defenseman in WAR : cool cool


Noah Dobson top 10 GAR 😎
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 10:41 a.m.
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At least Montreal isn't down bad defensively i guess, idk, trying to stay positive is hard
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 10:45 a.m.
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That's fair, but ur talking a top 10 player in the world.


He's not top 10 lol
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 10:45 a.m.
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At least Montreal isn't down bad defensively i guess, idk, trying to stay positive is hard


Allen and Andersen had a great game yesterday
Oct. 22, 2021 at 10:50 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Allen and Andersen had a great game yesterday


Allen is good yeah, but he can't Carey us when we can't score or defend, man do we need a leadership core to create and Edmundson, Byron, Price to come back
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 10:57 a.m.
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Noah Dobson top 10 GAR 😎


Ben Chiarot top 10 GAR cool but top 10 worst cool cool cool
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 11:02 a.m.
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Noah Dobson top 10 GAR 😎


And he’s doing it with a 6’ 9’ Slowpoke as his d partner
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 11:10 a.m.
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And he’s doing it with a 6’ 9’ Slowpoke as his d partner


A lot of Dobson slander over the last week because he couldn’t cover for charas mistakes.
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 11:10 a.m.
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That's fair, but ur talking a top 10 player in the world.


Okay I'll bite, on the top of my head, forwards only:

Point
Kucherov
Stamkos
Barkov
Ovechkin
Crosby
Matthews
McDavid
Panarin
Kane
Aho
Draisaitl
Petterson
Stone
MacKinnon
Bergeron
Marchand

Yeah, there ya go. 17 names.
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 11:12 a.m.
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Ben Chiarot top 10 GAR cool but top 10 worst cool cool cool


Lol I just saw EH posted the top 10 in GAR and xGAR on Twitter. I’m going to subscribe to EH soon, I had Jfresh but i cancelled it.
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 11:13 a.m.
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Quoting: PaulieWalnuts
Okay I'll bite, on the top of my head, forwards only:

Point
Kucherov
Stamkos
Barkov
Ovechkin
Crosby
Matthews
McDavid
Panarin
Kane
Aho
Draisaitl
Petterson
Stone
MacKinnon
Bergeron
Marchand

Yeah, there ya go. 17 names.


Remove Stamkos, Eichel is better

But agreed with the rest.

And if we're talking about top 10 skaters, then among the best we need to add the likes of Fox, Makar, Hedman and a few others, so Eichel isn't even top 20 lmao
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 11:17 a.m.
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Remove Stamkos, Eichel is better

But agreed with the rest.

And if we're talking about top 10 skaters, then among the best we need to add the likes of Fox, Makar, Hedman and a few others, so Eichel isn't even top 20 lmao


I feel like Fox, Makar, Hedman, McAvoy are usually the consensus top 4 D and then you add the likes of Pulock, Pelech, Pietrangelo, Theodore, Ekblad, Weegar, Heiskanen, etc
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 11:18 a.m.
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I feel like Fox, Makar, Hedman, McAvoy are usually the consensus top 4 D and then you add the likes of Pulock, Pelech, Pietrangelo, Theodore, Ekblad, Weegar, Heiskanen, etc


IMO the top 5 is this:
Fox, Makar, Hedman, McAvoy(OvErPaId) and Petro, the order doesn't really matter cause you can't really go wrong, they're all great options
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 11:22 a.m.
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Lol I just saw EH posted the top 10 in GAR and xGAR on Twitter. I’m going to subscribe to EH soon, I had Jfresh but i cancelled it.


JFresh used to take his stats from Evolving Hockey but I'm pretty sure they had to tell him to stop because he was "sharing" the stats for free. He's working with Patrick Bacon now, and I don't trust his models.
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 11:24 a.m.
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JFresh used to take his stats from Evolving Hockey but I'm pretty sure they had to tell him to stop because he was "sharing" the stats for free. He's working with Patrick Bacon now, and I don't trust his models.


That’s correct - I like Jfresh but I feel like EH is a more accurate representation of a players impact , Bacons model puts too much emphasis on finishing.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 11:28 a.m.
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That’s correct - I like Jfresh but I feel like EH is a more accurate representation of a players impact , Bacons model puts too much emphasis on finishing.


They all have their pros and cons tbh. EH have a tendency to overrate depth players by not putting enough emphasis on QOC, while Dom's has trouble taking defense into account.
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 11:34 a.m.
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They all have their pros and cons tbh. EH have a tendency to overrate depth players by not putting enough emphasis on QOC, while Dom's has trouble taking defense into account.


Yep, there's always something about analytics, which is why you should always mix the eye test, with stats and advanced stats/analytics to form opinions on players
Oct. 22, 2021 at 11:58 a.m.
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I made this
I may have to use it a good bit when people undervalue Korpi on ACGM
It was less funny in execution
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 12:04 p.m.
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Evan Bouchard is a rookie, no?
Oct. 22, 2021 at 12:17 p.m.
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I made this
I may have to use it a good bit when people undervalue Korpi on ACGM
It was less funny in execution


A for effort.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 12:28 p.m.
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Buffalo and San Jose are competing to stay undefeated tonight and possibly both tying Florida/ Edmonton (assuming EDM doesn’t pick up a point tonight) as the top teams in the league.

NHL broke.
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 12:44 p.m.
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Buffalo and San Jose are competing to stay undefeated tonight and possibly both tying Florida/ Edmonton (assuming EDM doesn’t pick up a point tonight) as the top teams in the league.

NHL broke.


Yep, Canes, STL, Minny also undefeated
Oct. 22, 2021 at 12:46 p.m.
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Yep, Canes, STL, Minny also undefeated


It’s gonna be interesting to watch what happens with Minny. Because the better they do the worse that Suter buyout looks. Parise was fine but Minny fans/ some public think they shouldn’t be all in with all that Deadcap but they quite literally are a dark horse for the Central with a TDL acquisition for their top 6 C.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 1:21 p.m.
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Buffalo and San Jose are competing to stay undefeated tonight and possibly both tying Florida/ Edmonton (assuming EDM doesn’t pick up a point tonight) as the top teams in the league.

NHL broke.


It's a yearly tradition for the Sabres to start the season strong and end up 1st in the league (or at least close) in November and then struggle for the rest of the year and miss the playoffs.
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