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Where The Leafs Went Wrong Financially

Created by: Agent_Of_R9
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 19, 2021
Published: Oct. 19, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
I always say that the Leafs big 3 is worth their salary when they are able to play at their best, and I maintain that belief. Obvious the issue is they're not at their best consistently, or when the team needs them most, but that falls on the players and not so much on the general manager.

What I will say is that the Leafs front office made a mistake financially when it comes to paying their top winger. For me, the foundation of a contending team should consist of 2 elite centers, 1 solid two-way 3C, 4 solid defencemen and a starting goalie. Everything else can be filled out sparingly because the core of the team should be strong enough to carry the team to results.

No team should be paying a winger 11 million dollars unless he is the star player on a team with no elite centers. A good winger on a team with 2 elite centers like Toronto should get around 5-6 million maximum. That's ultimately where Toronto went wrong. They could've had Kapanen, Hyman, Brown and Nylander as their wingers and saved plenty of money for a legitimate 3C and 4D. Now they are stuck in a situation in which they have to pay league 1-2 million and hope guys can play over their head in that role.
Free Agent Signings
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Nazem, Nazem1$4,500,000
Mitchell, Mitchell2$5,000,000
Jared, Jared2$2,900,000
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  1. Kadri, Nazem
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*2019 Trade
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  1. Cizikas, Casey
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    1. Hall, Taylor
    BOS
      *Signed As Free Agent
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      TOR
      1. Lafrenière, Alexis
      NYR
      1. McCann, Jared
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      • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
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      22$81,500,000$80,396,783$0$2,850,000$1,103,217

      Roster

      Left WingCenterRight Wing
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      Hall, Taylor
      $6,000,000
      LW
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      Matthews, Auston
      $11,640,250
      C
      UFA - 3
      Marner, Mitchell
      $5,000,000
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      Lafrenière, Alexis
      $925,000
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      Tavares, John
      $11,000,000
      C
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      UFA - 4
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      Nylander, William
      $6,962,366
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      UFA - 3
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      Ritchie, Nick
      $2,500,000
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      UFA - 2
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      Cizikas, Casey
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      Kämpf, David
      $1,500,000
      C
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      Bunting, Michael
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      Spezza, Jason
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      C, RW
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      Kase, Ondrej
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      Brodie, TJ
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      Mrázek, Petr
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      Muzzin, Jake
      $5,625,000
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      Weegar, MacKenzie
      $3,250,000
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      Campbell, Jack
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      Sandin, Rasmus
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      Dermott, Travis
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      Kerfoot, Alexander
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      Biega, Alex
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      Simmonds, Wayne
      $900,000
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      Marner, Mitchell
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      Mikheyev, Ilya
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      Holl, Justin
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      Engvall, Pierre
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      Special Teams

      Power Play 1
      Nylander, W.
      Tavares, J.
      Lafrenière, A.
      Spezza, J.
      Sandin, R.
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      Marner, M.
      Matthews, A.
      Ritchie, N.
      Rielly, M.
      Hall, T.
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      Cizikas, C.
      Kase, O.
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      Kämpf, D.
      Ritchie, N.
      Muzzin, J.
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      Oct. 19, 2021 at 7:19 p.m.
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      Thoughts on my analysis and this armchair team?
      Oct. 19, 2021 at 7:39 p.m.
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      Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
      Thoughts on my analysis and this armchair team?


      I would like you to explain that NY trade. Please. And is 11 mil per year a bit high for both Tavaras and Marner? Ya sure but think of this Tavaras was an UFA and he was gonna get paid UFA's get paid. Marner is a bit high sure I'd persoanlly want him at 9.5 per year but no way is he as low as 5 mil per year. The guy is a point per game in in career and hes been over a point per game his last three years.
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      Oct. 19, 2021 at 7:43 p.m.
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      Always a pleasure to be part of these. Would we be discussing these salaries this much if Covid never occurred? I don’t know. I still think Marner is overpaid by 1.5 mil and needed 2 more years on the contract. Matthews should have been an 8 year deal no question.

      But I also truly believe that if Covid had not occurred we would be seeing 13 million dollar AAV contracts today.
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      Oct. 19, 2021 at 7:45 p.m.
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      You can win with a high paid center and winger; Chicago did it with Toews and Kane 3 times, 2 of which when they were the highest paid players in the league. That said, they also had an unbelievable defense and goal tending along with one of the best two way wingers of all time in Hossa.
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      Oct. 19, 2021 at 7:57 p.m.
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      Quoting: Abroot
      I would like you to explain that NY trade. Please. And is 11 mil per year a bit high for both Tavaras and Marner? Ya sure but think of this Tavaras was an UFA and he was gonna get paid UFA's get paid. Marner is a bit high sure I'd persoanlly want him at 9.5 per year but no way is he as low as 5 mil per year. The guy is a point per game in in career and hes been over a point per game his last three years.


      I think Cizikas is the ideal 3C, so I signed him in hindsight. Most of the analytics community that Marner is a fringe 2nd line winger on most teams, he’s just been really lucky to play with really good players.

      https://www.instagram.com/p/CPboBAugk0y/?utm_medium=copy_link
      Oct. 19, 2021 at 7:59 p.m.
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      Quoting: faulkmydzingel
      Always a pleasure to be part of these. Would we be discussing these salaries this much if Covid never occurred? I don’t know. I still think Marner is overpaid by 1.5 mil and needed 2 more years on the contract. Matthews should have been an 8 year deal no question.

      But I also truly believe that if Covid had not occurred we would be seeing 13 million dollar AAV contracts today.


      Yeah I definitely think the Leafs were the most handicapped team by Covid. But honestly, regardless if the cap rises or not, you can’t pay so much money to complimentary winger.
      Oct. 19, 2021 at 8:01 p.m.
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      Quoting: ChiHawk
      You can win with a high paid center and winger; Chicago did it with Toews and Kane 3 times, 2 of which when they were the highest paid players in the league. That said, they also had an unbelievable defense and goal tending along with one of the best two way wingers of all time in Hossa.


      Yeah for sure it’s a no brainer to pay Kane 10.5 million. He’s won the Hart, Art Ross, 3 cups. He’s proven he can lead his own line. Marner on the other hand is a 2nd liner in terms of pedigree, he shouldn’t have gotten more than 5 from the Leafs. And generally, I think contending teams should limit 10+ million dollar players to one in each of the top 2 lines.
      Oct. 19, 2021 at 8:17 p.m.
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      Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
      Yeah for sure it’s a no brainer to pay Kane 10.5 million. He’s won the Hart, Art Ross, 3 cups. He’s proven he can lead his own line. Marner on the other hand is a 2nd liner in terms of pedigree, he shouldn’t have gotten more than 5 from the Leafs. And generally, I think contending teams should limit 10+ million dollar players to one in each of the top 2 lines.


      I think Marner should have definitely gotten more then $5M. I agree he's overpaid by $2M to $3M especially at the time of signing, but $5M is a big stretch.
      Oct. 19, 2021 at 8:27 p.m.
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      Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
      Yeah I definitely think the Leafs were the most handicapped team by Covid. But honestly, regardless if the cap rises or not, you can’t pay so much money to complimentary winger.


      They were given a year in a cupcake division with an easy route to the conference finals.
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      Oct. 19, 2021 at 8:28 p.m.
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      It’s just a flawed concept. Three guys making that much at the forward position is never going to work.
      Oct. 19, 2021 at 8:45 p.m.
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      Remember when Nylander was the bad guy for holding out for 7 mil??
      Oct. 19, 2021 at 9:00 p.m.
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      Quoting: ChiHawk
      I think Marner should have definitely gotten more then $5M. I agree he's overpaid by $2M to $3M especially at the time of signing, but $5M is a big stretch.


      Yeah maybe he's a 9 million dollar player on the open market but I don't think the Leafs should've kept him since they're already paying that type of money for 2 centers which is more important.
      Oct. 19, 2021 at 9:02 p.m.
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      Quoting: Riley816
      Remember when Nylander was the bad guy for holding out for 7 mil??


      Leaf fans had every reason to be angry at Nylander for that abysmal 40 point pace season. But that doesn't mean he can't flip the script.
      Oct. 19, 2021 at 9:03 p.m.
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      Quoting: CMcAvoy73
      It’s just a flawed concept. Three guys making that much at the forward position is never going to work.


      Agree, I think you can still have 2 if they're really good like PIT's centers, but 3 is too much. One 10 million player per line is enough.
      Oct. 19, 2021 at 9:10 p.m.
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      Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
      I think Cizikas is the ideal 3C, so I signed him in hindsight. Most of the analytics community that Marner is a fringe 2nd line winger on most teams, he’s just been really lucky to play with really good players.

      https://www.instagram.com/p/CPboBAugk0y/?utm_medium=copy_link


      No no no you know which NY trade i was talking about not that one lol
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      Oct. 19, 2021 at 9:43 p.m.
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      I'm confused why that Rangers trade is there. Is this ACGM assuming that Toronto won the draft lottery?
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      Oct. 19, 2021 at 9:46 p.m.
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      Quoting: mhroblak
      I'm confused why that Rangers trade is there. Is this ACGM assuming that Toronto won the draft lottery?


      And is that Weegar trade serious?? Doubt Florida even thinks about it even 2 seasons ago...
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      Oct. 19, 2021 at 9:47 p.m.
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      Tavares was the move that has them in trouble.
      They had a 30 goal scoring #2 center, they didn't improve much for that money.
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      Oct. 19, 2021 at 9:51 p.m.
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      Quoting: Riley816
      And is that Weegar trade serious?? Doubt Florida even thinks about it even 2 seasons ago...


      From reading the description it looks like that Nazem Kadri was the asset to acquire a top 4 defenceman, which I would say is more practical than not. However, MacKenzie Weegar is more valuable than that, especially at his cap hit.
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      Oct. 19, 2021 at 9:55 p.m.
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      Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
      Yeah maybe he's a 9 million dollar player on the open market but I don't think the Leafs should've kept him since they're already paying that type of money for 2 centers which is more important.


      JT was the move that shouldn't have been made IMO, not at that cap hit anyway
      Oct. 19, 2021 at 10:03 p.m.
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      Quoting: ChiHawk
      You can win with a high paid center and winger; Chicago did it with Toews and Kane 3 times, 2 of which when they were the highest paid players in the league. That said, they also had an unbelievable defense and goal tending along with one of the best two way wingers of all time in Hossa.


      Kane and Toews haven’t won anything since those contracts kicked in.
      Oct. 19, 2021 at 10:26 p.m.
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      okay nhl GM who definitely would have been able to sign mitch marner for 5 million because of how much better you are than every other GM. he turned down more money to stay in toronto.

      yeah we can say they went wrong letting most of those players go. but at the time it made sense. nhl GMs dont have a magic mirror that shows them what the future holds
      Oct. 20, 2021 at 12:35 a.m.
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      Quoting: Newgod77
      Kane and Toews haven’t won anything since those contracts kicked in.


      That is true, they were both at $6.3M prior
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      Oct. 20, 2021 at 5:13 a.m.
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      Quoting: ChiHawk
      You can win with a high paid center and winger; Chicago did it with Toews and Kane 3 times, 2 of which when they were the highest paid players in the league. That said, they also had an unbelievable defense and goal tending along with one of the best two way wingers of all time in Hossa.


      True, but look at CHI, they had huge high end salaries in Toews and Kane, but also Seabrook, Keith and Crawford, way different than 4 high paid forwards. PITTS had Malkin and crosby, but also Letang and Fleury, LA had Kopitar, Doughty and Quick.

      Toronto's issue is all their high end is at forward. Between their big 3 at 10mil plus, they have only 3 guys between that and 1.6mil (and no rookie ELC) in Nylander 7mil, Kerfoot 3.5 and ritchie 2.5, thats a huge chasm.

      Chicago while not winning the cup since have until the last year or two stayed competitive and played well into the playoffs, even when adding/having other big salaries like shaw, saad, hjalmarsson, etc... Chicago just got old and all 5 big salaries got old with them, but for many years they were able to add what they needed to stay competitive.

      (Not saying Toronto isnt competitive, but the over reliance on essentially 8 of their 22 players is not making them better)
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      Oct. 20, 2021 at 8:51 a.m.
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      Weegar hadnt become the superstar talent he is with florida yet. He didnt break out until after the barrie/kadri trade occured. and the trade filled a need they did acquire a top 4 dman. the only problem with the deal was they acquired the wrong type of dman, they already had a puck moving pp qb in reilly. barrie was completely unnecessary. I know you signed czikas/hall and somehow got laf. but i doubt those moves happen with toronto.
       
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