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Frank Seravalli predicts Leafs will move Marner in the offseason

Created by: MrDinkiee
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 21, 2021
Published: Oct. 21, 2021
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Sandin, Rasmus3$1,800,000
Liljegren, Timothy3$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Campbell, Jack5$3,000,000
Burakovsky, André5$6,000,000
Kadri, Nazem4$3,500,000
Nichushkin, Valeri4$3,500,000
Manson, Josh4$4,000,000
Chiarot, Ben3$3,000,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Wilson, Tom
  2. 2022 1st round pick (WSH)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (WSH)
WSH
  1. Marner, Mitchell
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TOR
    Traded
    BUF
    1. Dermott, Travis
    2. Holl, Justin
    3. Kerfoot, Alexander
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    TOR
    TOR
    2023
    TOR
    TOR
    WSH
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    2024
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
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    21$82,500,000$82,340,949$0$0$159,051
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    Burakovsky, André
    $6,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA
    TOR
    Matthews, Auston
    $11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Nylander, William
    $6,962,366
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Bunting, Michael
    $950,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Tavares, John
    $11,000,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    WSH
    Wilson, Tom
    $5,166,666
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Robertson, Nicholas
    $796,667
    LW
    RFA - 2
    Kadri, Nazem
    $3,500,000
    C
    UFA
    Nichushkin, Valeri
    $3,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA
    TOR
    Ritchie, Nick
    $2,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Kämpf, David
    $1,500,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Simmonds, Wayne
    $900,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    TOR
    Muzzin, Jake
    $5,625,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Manson, Josh
    $4,000,000
    RD
    UFA
    TOR
    Mrázek, Petr
    $3,800,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Chiarot, Ben
    $3,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA
    TOR
    Brodie, TJ
    $5,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Campbell, Jack
    $3,000,000
    G
    UFA
    TOR
    Sandin, Rasmus
    $1,800,000
    LD
    RFA
    TOR
    Liljegren, Timothy
    $950,000
    RD
    RFA
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    TOR
    Anderson, Joey
    $750,000
    RW
    RFA - 1

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    Oct. 21, 2021 at 4:40 p.m.
    #1
    10k posts gang
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    so does every leafs fan
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    Oct. 21, 2021 at 4:41 p.m.
    #2
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    Why is Kadri taking so little to come back? Think he’d easily get $5 mil on the market.
    Oct. 21, 2021 at 4:45 p.m.
    #3
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    I dont want Tom WIlson on the leafs.
    Oct. 21, 2021 at 4:46 p.m.
    #4
    Who adds what?
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    You put the picks on the other side, and Washington still doesn't do that.
    Oct. 21, 2021 at 4:48 p.m.
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    scott sabourin
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    Quoting: Eli
    You put the picks on the other side, and Washington still doesn't do that.


    Hot take but respect.
    Oct. 21, 2021 at 5:23 p.m.
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    Caps don't have the cap space for Mitch Marner, And a lot of insiders have suggested that one of Marner or Nylander are definitely gone if the Leafs don't win it all next summer or even get out of the 1st round.
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    Oct. 21, 2021 at 5:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: Zuki9797
    so does every leafs fan


    Nope, some do but those people are rather dense. There are many non leaf fans posting as leaf fans who do this sort of crap every day. Like the Islander fans who posted this.
    Oct. 21, 2021 at 5:42 p.m.
    #8
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    Caps don't have the cap space for Mitch Marner, And a lot of insiders have suggested that one of Marner or Nylander are definitely gone if the Leafs don't win it all next summer or even get out of the 1st round.


    Those same insiders have speculated on this topic since Nylander needed a contract. Why? Because 25% of Leaf fans don't like Nylander and Marner because 100% of all other fans want to see the leafs fail and **** post them all the time. The reality is, someone could be moved if they fail again but only if it's a situation where health wasn't a factor. Let's say Matthew's, Marner and Rielly all miss the playoffs and they lose in the first round. However if they are healthy and lose again then changes may be made.
    Oct. 21, 2021 at 5:50 p.m.
    #9
    SadCapsFan
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    Caps say no
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    Oct. 21, 2021 at 5:50 p.m.
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    Idk what picks if any go which way here but 1-1 I’d rather Wilson big skilled true power forwards are sooo darn rare. Yes marner is a rare kind of skilled winger but it’s easier to find a skilled winger to play high end minutes over finding an effective power forward able to play those same minutes.
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    Oct. 21, 2021 at 6:00 p.m.
    #11
    Who adds what?
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    Quoting: Marshallchapman9
    Hot take but respect.


    Thanks. I don't mean to argue or insult. Marner is every bit as good defensively as Wilson and much better offensively than Wilson ever was or will be, but if the Caps wanted a skill guy or a puck possession guy at 1RW, they'd have stuck with Semin, Burakovsky, Stephenson, or Vrana, there. They want a tough guy who can retrieve the puck from the corner, tap in rebounds, and fight anyone who steps to Ovechkin. So far that's been Mike Knuble, Troy Brouwer, TJ Oshie, and now increasingly Tom Wilson. It doesn't sound like Marner.

    That trade next summer also leaves them with no cap space to give any raises beyond QO to Samsonov, Vanecek, Sprong, or Cholowki, even after Schultz and Kempny leave in UFA. If they lose Sprong and Samsonov because of Marner's cap hit, they don't have a lot of younger, better options ready to replace them, so even if Tor threw in a 1st and a 2nd, that would barely pay for the damage Marner's cap hit would cause to the Caps' delicate salary cap puzzle, even if they did want Marner over Wilson, for some reason that's not apparent to me.
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    Oct. 21, 2021 at 6:03 p.m.
    #12
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    Quoting: Leafsfan16
    I dont want Tom WIlson on the leafs.


    Your loss
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    Oct. 21, 2021 at 6:10 p.m.
    #13
    LongtimeLeafsufferer
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    We have seen hundreds, thousands of Eichel trades.....most of them are rejected. Marner is the same type of trade.
    What teams can take on a 11m cap? Few. And if such a team had cap, that might be better to sign a UFA, and not trade any cheap assets to the Leafs
    Then if the Leafs trade Marner, and take back close to 11m in cap, are either of the teams better off?
    Yesterday I posted a "trade" scenario, where the Seattle selected 11m Marner in the expansion draft. Leafs didn't sign 2.5m Ritchie, and the Leafs signed Taylor Hall and Zack Hyman for a total 12.5m
    Would the Leafs be better?
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    Oct. 21, 2021 at 6:11 p.m.
    #14
    Go Leafs Go
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    Quoting: Eli
    You put the picks on the other side, and Washington still doesn't do that.


    Wouldn't pay a first and a second for Wilson, let alone adding Marner.
    Oct. 21, 2021 at 6:15 p.m.
    #15
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    Quoting: csick
    Your loss


    Folk aren't thinking. It's Wilson and 5m in cap space. Gee the Leafs might want to do that trade even without picks included.
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    Oct. 21, 2021 at 6:16 p.m.
    #16
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    Quoting: csick
    Your loss


    Everyone would love to have Tom Wilson on their team
    Oct. 21, 2021 at 6:19 p.m.
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    I dont see that trade working for Washington even if you take away the picks.

    Tom wilson may not have Marner's skill but he has the physical talent that mitch will never have.

    Theres also the fact that if Washington gets marner they have to dump just shy of 6 million in cap to fit him. So your not losing Wilson for Marner you are actually losing Wilson + atleast one of your core players with no material replacement.

    Marner is a good player but is going to be difficult to trade as teams are not keen on spending 11 million in cap on 1 winger who isnt even a elite goal scorer. Thats high end franchise center/Dman money.
    Oct. 21, 2021 at 6:23 p.m.
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    Link?
    Oct. 21, 2021 at 6:24 p.m.
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    Sweet Lou
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    Link?


    https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/early-season-look-in-pressure-mounts-for-leafs-after-another-playoff-disappointment/
    Oct. 21, 2021 at 7:26 p.m.
    #20
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    Quoting: palhal
    Folk aren't thinking. It's Wilson and 5m in cap space. Gee the Leafs might want to do that trade even without picks included.


    Wilson + another 6 mill player would give the Leafs so much depth
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