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Better Fit With Some Minor Upgrades

Created by: Stavros99
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 22, 2021
Published: Oct. 22, 2021
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Would love for the Leafs to swing a move like this. Crouse fits our top 6 better with a more reliable forecheck to dig out pucks for our big guns and has a good amount of untapped potential. Larsson fits nicely on the checking line and Timmins upgrades our d and cap sit while maintaining some depth with Capobianco. Call up Semyonov and then rotate Simmonds in for Spez when more toughness is needed. We're then good to go with the added cap space to make a further splash at the TDL.
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22$81,500,000$79,208,116$0$0$2,291,884
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C
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C, LW
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
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C
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
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C, RW
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$825,000$825,000
C
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
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G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$894,167$894,167
LD
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$850,000$850,000
RD
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$900,000$900,000
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 1:58 a.m.
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On a side note, this has gotta be one of the most underrated hockey docs I've ever seen. Some of the fan stories are pure gold. If the Leafs win the Cup in my lifetime I will cry like a baby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om4z2fpPO2g
Oct. 22, 2021 at 3:58 a.m.
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I wouldnt do that if Im Arizona. 3 downgrades just to upgrade Capobianco to Dermott.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 6:25 a.m.
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I wouldnt do that if Im Arizona. 3 downgrades just to upgrade Capobianco to Dermott.


You have such a heavy bias against TO bud
Oct. 22, 2021 at 6:48 a.m.
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Edited Oct. 22, 2021 at 8:30 a.m.
Crouse is an analytics nightmare, quite certain Dubas and Co. Would want nothing to do with him, and they certainly would not be grabbing him to play in their Top 6.

Crouse = Engvall only he hits more, but can't move the puck.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 6:51 a.m.
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You have such a heavy bias against TO bud

which part?
Oct. 22, 2021 at 7:02 a.m.
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Edited Oct. 22, 2021 at 7:51 a.m.
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Crouse is an analytics nightmare, quite certain Dubas and Co. Would want nothing to do with him, and they certainly would be grabbing him to play in their Top 6.

Crouse = Engvall only he hits more, but can't move the puck.


Your theory is a bit flawed as Ritchie is no analytic dynamo yet starting on the top line. And if you really explore the analytics, you'll see QoC quite high for Crouse while predominantly starting in the D-Zone and playing on a very weak team. His WAR will go up in the right situation.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 7:19 a.m.
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
You have such a heavy bias against TO bud


To be fair, he's actually not wrong...

-Crouse and Ritchie are pretty similar. Add to that the fact that the Yotes could have just outbid the Leafs a couple of months ago and got Ritchie for nothing...
-Larsson>Engvall
-Timmins>Lilly
-Dermott>Capo
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 8:39 a.m.
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Your theory is a bit flawed as Ritchie is no analytic dynamo yet starting on the top line. And if you really explore the analytics, you'll see QoC quite high for Crouse while predominantly starting in the D-Zone and playing on a very weak team. His WAR will go up in the right situation.


Ritchie is still worlds ahead of Crouse. Ritchie's issue is more lack of speed, Crouse can't move the puck. I don't really want a guy playing with Matthew's and Marner that plays die on his stick (everywhere on the ice).

Ritchie was on bad Anahiem teams as well.

Crouse has had decent linemates (Dvorak) lately.

Not every 1st Rd pick all of the sudden hits their potential once they change teams. Plenty of examples of GMs falling in love with size speed factor, without realizing there is minimal skills.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 10:37 a.m.
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Actually it's a pretty fair trade. But really doesn't help the Leafs or even Arizona at all. The only two players of significance would be Timmins and Liljegren and how to live up to their potential.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 12:13 p.m.
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which part?


None of the players beyond maybe Timmins have done anything to warrant anyone saying this is a downgrade and even with Timmins that's a stretch to say he's better than Liljegren.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 12:14 p.m.
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To be fair, he's actually not wrong...

-Crouse and Ritchie are pretty similar. Add to that the fact that the Yotes could have just outbid the Leafs a couple of months ago and got Ritchie for nothing...
-Larsson>Engvall
-Timmins>Lilly
-Dermott>Capo


Crouse is an AHLer, Engvall is better than him. Larsson is fine, Timmins has not done anything to prove he's better than Liljegren.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 5:21 p.m.
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None of the players beyond maybe Timmins have done anything to warrant anyone saying this is a downgrade and even with Timmins that's a stretch to say he's better than Liljegren.


Crouse for Ritchie is a 50/50 imo can go either way (wouldnt play either in the top 6 though). Larsson over Engvall is pretty easy. Timmins as you said above.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 5:23 p.m.
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Crouse for Ritchie is a 50/50 imo can go either way. Larsson over Engvall is pretty easy. Timmins as you said above.


Crouse is bad defensively and had one season where he scored a few goals. The rest of his career has been pedestrian at best. Engvall can at least play good defence, kill penalties and play multiple positions. Ritchie has shown a lot more than Crouse. I have no idea why Crouse gets so much love.
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 5:45 p.m.
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Crouse is bad defensively and had one season where he scored a few goals. The rest of his career has been pedestrian at best. Engvall can at least play good defence, kill penalties and play multiple positions. Ritchie has shown a lot more than Crouse. I have no idea why Crouse gets so much love.


I disagree about Crouse's defensive game but I dont really feel like arguing over this since the trade makes very little sense to begin with so lets just move on
Oct. 22, 2021 at 7:44 p.m.
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Crouse is an AHLer, Engvall is better than him. Larsson is fine, Timmins has not done anything to prove he's better than Liljegren.


You make me laugh. Crouse an AHLer? Come on man Lol
Oct. 22, 2021 at 7:45 p.m.
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I disagree about Crouse's defensive game but I dont really feel like arguing over this since the trade makes very little sense to begin with so lets just move on


There is no evidence of a defensive game
Oct. 22, 2021 at 7:47 p.m.
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You make me laugh. Crouse an AHLer? Come on man Lol


He's just big. He's poor defensively and doesn't do much offensively. He's not making a good team.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 8:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Barilko14
Ritchie is still worlds ahead of Crouse. Ritchie's issue is more lack of speed, Crouse can't move the puck. I don't really want a guy playing with Matthew's and Marner that plays die on his stick (everywhere on the ice).

Ritchie was on bad Anahiem teams as well.

Crouse has had decent linemates (Dvorak) lately.

Not every 1st Rd pick all of the sudden hits their potential once they change teams. Plenty of examples of GMs falling in love with size speed factor, without realizing there is minimal skills.


Ritchie being world's ahead of Crouse is not accurate. Prior to 20-21 Ritchie posted worse WAR%s than Crouse. Crouse can provide a little of what Hyman did as far as chasing down pucks and gaining possession. He also scored 15 goals a couple of seasons ago and had more primary assists than Ritchie last season. IMO opinion he is a definite upgrade from Ritchie or Engvall.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 9:03 p.m.
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He's just big. He's poor defensively and doesn't do much offensively. He's not making a good team.


I have to disagree. While the results aren't optimal, his usage has been primarily against stiffer competition in defensive situations. I would attribute much of the results to his team's overall results. At worst he is a 3-4th liner on any team in the league.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 9:13 p.m.
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I have to disagree. While the results aren't optimal, his usage has been primarily against stiffer competition in defensive situations. I would attribute much of the results to his team's overall results. At worst he is a 3-4th liner on any team in the league.


I just don't see a very average player on a bad team, somehow becomes a good 3rd liner on a better team.
 
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