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Something to mull over

Created by: Kyle_Davidson
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 24, 2021
Published: Oct. 24, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Chicago Blackhawks
Team Explanation
Just some trade ideas to think over, please don’t focus too much on when a trade might happen as I’m not organizing them on a timeline rather when I thought of them.
Trades
1.
CHI
  1. Brännström, Erik
  2. 2022 1st round pick (OTT)
Additional Details:
Let’s assume the pick is somewhere between 10-15 for this trade.
OTT
  1. Kubalik, Dominik
  2. Mitchell, Ian
Additional Details:
Kubalik signs long term.
2.
CHI
  1. Komarov, Leo
  2. Hickey, Thomas
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
3rd round pick upgrades to a second based on an easy condition. ( CDH plays in half of playoff games, or etc)
NYI
  1. De Haan, Calvin
3.
CHI
    If Gus is able to Sabotage the blues in any meaningful way that will be Payment enough.
    STL
    1. Gustafsson, Erik
    4.
    CHI
    1. 2022 4th round pick (VAN)
    VAN
    1. Khaira, Jujhar
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Olli Määttä: $750,108 (18%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2022
    OTT
    CHI
    EDM
    TOR
    VGK
    NYI
    CHI
    VAN
    CHI
    CBJ
    CHI
    2023
    CHI
    CHI
    TBL
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    2024
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    21$81,500,000$74,498,380$452,439$3,322,500$7,001,620
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    CHI
    Reichel, Lukas
    $925,000
    LW, C
    RFA - 3
    CHI
    Toews, Jonathan
    $10,500,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    CHI
    Kane, Patrick
    $10,500,000
    RW
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    CHI
    DeBrincat, Alex
    $6,400,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    CHI
    Dach, Kirby
    $925,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Borgström, Henrik
    $1,000,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    CHI
    Hagel, Brandon
    $1,500,000
    LW
    RFA - 3
    CHI
    Strome, Dylan
    $3,000,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Kurashev, Philipp
    $842,500
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Connolly, Brett
    $3,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    CHI
    Entwistle, Mackenzie
    $811,667
    C
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Johnson, Tyler
    $5,000,000
    RW, C
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    CHI
    McCabe, Jake
    $4,000,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    CHI
    Jones, Seth
    $5,400,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    CHI
    Fleury, Marc-André
    $7,000,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    CHI
    Stillman, Riley
    $1,350,000
    LD
    RFA - 3
    CHI
    Murphy, Connor
    $3,850,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    CHI
    Lankinen, Kevin
    $800,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    OTT
    Brännström, Erik
    $863,333
    RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    CHI
    Johnson, Reese
    $880,833
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Shaw, Andrew
    $3,900,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    CHI
    Gaudette, Adam
    $997,500
    C
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Jones, Caleb
    $850,000
    LD
    RFA - 1
    Taxi Squad
    CHI
    Carpenter, Ryan
    $1,000,000 ($0)
    RW, C
    UFA - 1
    NYI
    Komarov, Leo
    $3,000,000 ($1,875,000)
    RW, LW, C
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    NYI
    Hickey, Thomas
    $2,500,000 ($1,375,000)
    LD
    UFA - 1

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    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:08 a.m.
    #1
    sensonfire
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    Kubalik, who is a LW, for a Top 15 pick for the next draft ...

    And then ...

    Brannstrom from Mitchell



    No thanks.

    Ottawa declines.
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    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:13 a.m.
    #2
    exo2769
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    Kubalik, who is a LW, for a Top 15 pick for the next draft ...

    And then ...

    Brannstrom from Mitchell



    No thanks.

    Ottawa declines.


    To be fair...Kubalik is a 30 goal scorer and OTT hasn't had that in over a decade. There's a cost for certainty and if that's a TDL pick...you might make the playoffs considering how poorly TOR and MTL are playing
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    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:19 a.m.
    #3
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    I would do all of these, but if we trade kubalik it better signal a full scale rebuild
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:19 a.m.
    #4
    Vegan Commie Hipster
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    Easily one of the best offensive D of his generation* can't possibly have that much of an overall negative impact on his own team at the end of the day

    He'd have to shoot on his own net or something

    * Gus has an career pts/60 of 1.5 which is elite
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:23 a.m.
    #5
    exo2769
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    Quoting: Radu47
    Easily one of the best offensive D of his generation* can't possibly have that much of an overall negative impact on his own team at the end of the day

    He'd have to shoot on his own net or something

    * Gus has an career pts/60 of 1.5 which is elite


    BUT he is that bad defensively. It's why he was released from a PTO and not retained by CGY MTL PHI NYI and back with CHI after injury to Caleb Jones.
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    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:36 a.m.
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    Quoting: exo2769
    BUT he is that bad defensively. It's why he was released from a PTO and not retained by CGY MTL PHI NYI and back with CHI after injury to Caleb Jones.


    I think he’s joking
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    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:42 a.m.
    #7
    sensonfire
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    Quoting: exo2769
    To be fair...Kubalik is a 30 goal scorer and OTT hasn't had that in over a decade. There's a cost for certainty and if that's a TDL pick...you might make the playoffs considering how poorly TOR and MTL are playing


    Kubalik is not the type of player we need.


    Of all our needs we have (there are a few), a Top 6 left-shot for the LW is not one of them.


    If you had a top 6 right-shot RW that is a sniper and can score goals, Ottawa would be more interested.


    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2860899
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:43 a.m.
    #8
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    Kubalik, who is a LW, for a Top 15 pick for the next draft ...

    And then ...

    Brannstrom from Mitchell



    No thanks.

    Ottawa declines.


    As the OP, I obviously think this trade idea is pretty good for both sides.

    OTT gets a sniper that I’ve been hearing they need.
    They get a prospect of similar pedigree in Mitchell, which is better than a lot of posts I’ve seen.

    Chicago gets a first this year and the prospect gets a fresh start.

    Tell me what to improve on here please smile
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    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.
    #9
    exo2769
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    Kubalik is not the type of player we need.


    Of all our needs we have (there are a few), a Top 6 left-shot for the LW is not one of them.


    If you had a top 6 right-shot RW that is a sniper and can score goals, Ottawa would be more interested.


    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2860899


    I mean you just described your need and that's Kubalik. He's the Hawks best sniper. He just happens to be left handed. That's it.
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    Kubalik is not the type of player we need.


    Of all our needs we have (there are a few), a Top 6 left-shot for the LW is not one of them.


    If you had a top 6 right-shot RW that is a sniper and can score goals, Ottawa would be more interested.


    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2860899


    I think you are putting too much stock into right handed vs Left Handed. Who really cares what hand they use to shoot if they are getting 30 goals? Kubalik is also able to play both sides just fine.
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    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.
    #11
    mokumboi
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    Heh. Good one.
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:48 a.m.
    #12
    sensonfire
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    Quoting: Stan_Bowman
    As the OP, I obviously think this trade idea is pretty good for both sides.

    OTT gets a sniper that I’ve been hearing they need.
    They get a prospect of similar pedigree in Mitchell, which is better than a lot of posts I’ve seen.

    Chicago gets a first this year and the prospect gets a fresh start.

    Tell me what to improve on here please smile


    Kubalik is not the type of player we need.

    We need a different type of sniper.



    Of all our needs we have (there are a few), a Top 6 left-shot for the LW is not one of them.


    If you had a top 6 right-shot RW that is a sniper and can score goals, Ottawa would be more interested.


    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2860899
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:53 a.m.
    #13
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    Kubalik is not the type of player we need.

    We need a different type of sniper.

    If you are adding 30 goals to your lineup who cares if he’s a left shot! Not sure how the RW “sniper” market is looking right now but are you really going to go out of your way to get a guy like Rakell when Kubalik is right there?

    Of all our needs we have (there are a few), a Top 6 left-shot for the LW is not one of them.


    If you had a top 6 right-shot RW that is a sniper and can score goals, Ottawa would be more interested.


    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2860899
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:58 a.m.
    #14
    sensonfire
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    Quoting: exo2769
    I mean you just described your need and that's Kubalik. He's the Hawks best sniper. He just happens to be left handed. That's it.


    We not only want a player that is a Top 6 sniper but also one that doesn't have to play on his off-side.


    One of the reasons why is because it’s harder to give and receive a pass on your backhand than it is on your forehand.


    It's something that Ottawa's coaching staff adheres to and one of the reasons we have tried getting Brannstrom to play as a LD instead of a RD.


    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/senators-believe-left-right-prospect-erik-brannstrom/
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    Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:04 p.m.
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    sensonfire
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    Quoting: Stan_Bowman


    Ryan Dzingel went from having a 20-25 goal season in Ottawa to scoring less than 10 in Columbus and Carolina.


    When you trade for a player, he not only needs to be a good player but he also needs to be a good fit.


    You and everybody else in the chat can try shoving this trade down our throats, but it's still a no from Ottawa.
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: Stan_Bowman
    I think you are putting too much stock into right handed vs Left Handed. Who really cares what hand they use to shoot if they are getting 30 goals? Kubalik is also able to play both sides just fine.


    Our own coaching staff puts stock in right-handed vs left-handed.


    We not only want a player that is a Top 6 sniper but also one that doesn't have to play on his off-side.


    One of the reasons why is because it’s harder to give and receive a pass on your backhand than it is on your forehand.


    When was the last time Kubalik played at RW?
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:08 p.m.
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    If Ottawa's putting Brannstrom and a 1st on the board, they're aiming a hell of a lot higher than Kubalik.
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    Ryan Dzingel went from having a 20-25 goal season in Ottawa to scoring less than 10 in Columbus and Carolina.
    When you trade for a player, he not only needs to be a good player but he also needs to be a good fit.
    You and everybody else in the chat can try shoving this trade down our throats, but it's still a no from Ottawa.


    I'm really not trying to be mean here. It's just conversation. No need to get offended. I think Kubalik would be a great fit because Stuztle can play RW and fee Kubalik for snipes all night long. Kubalik doesn't even play with Kane and he's gets snipes. I would do ALOT different than the current Hawks management....ALOT. Imagine if Kubalik actually played with Kane?!?!?! He'd be a 40 goal scorer.
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: Claesson4Norris
    If Ottawa's putting Brannstrom and a 1st on the board, they're aiming a hell of a lot higher than Kubalik.


    They're getting back Mitchell (who isn't a slouch by any strectch) and OTT fans have been actively dumping on Brannstrom for about a year now. I haven't watch Brannstrom recently. I just read what OTT fans think about him and it's not very good.
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    Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:34 p.m.
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    Edited Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:40 p.m.
    Quoting: Stan_Bowman
    Kubalik is also able to play both sides just fine.


    Then it could change everything because the right side is where Ottawa needs to upgrade... But if like Sensonfire have tried to explain, if he's not a "natural" on RW, he won't fit.


    Look at the ridiculous LW depth : Tim Stutzle (most skilled forward), Brady Tkachuk (most impactful forward), Alex Formenton (fastest forward), Nick Paul (best forechecker/defensive forward after C. Brown)

    After that : Angus Crookshank (would be on the team right now if didn't injure himself), Parker Kelly (currently playing/also center), some very good prospects like Egor Sokolov, Ridly Greig and Roby Jarventie are also LW... and there's even more lol. We're hoping that Greig is a C because of the logjam. We are hoping Sokolov/Jarventie can also be RW for the same reason.

    LW, LD and G are the 3 positions the Sens don't need to acquire anyone. They will most likely use some of these pieces (Brannstrom, for example) to upgrade the RW or RD (or even C)


    If Kubalik is as good on RW, then I'M ready to pay Brannstrom and a (late) 1st. Problem is Ottawa wouldn't want that pick to be top-10 so maybe a protection would do

    Quoting: exo2769
    I haven't watch Brannstrom recently. I just read what OTT fans think about him and it's not very good.


    Are you sure they're Sens fans? Because those I read are very pissed off that he is not on the team...
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    Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:36 p.m.
    #21
    Wayne Glensky
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    id do that sens trade, maybe add a protection to the 1st to ensure it stays out of the top 10 then add a bit more value to compensate for that somehow.
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    Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:37 p.m.
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    Quoting: Wadejos123
    I would do all of these, but if we trade kubalik it better signal a full scale rebuild


    Are u sure you wanna call a rebuild when Columbus has your 2022 1st round pick. Maybe wait till the summer
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:37 p.m.
    #23
    sensonfire
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    Edited Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:45 p.m.
    Quoting: exo2769
    I'm really not trying to be mean here. It's just conversation. No need to get offended. I think Kubalik would be a great fit because Stuztle can play RW and fee Kubalik for snipes all night long. Kubalik doesn't even play with Kane and he's gets snipes. I would do ALOT different than the current Hawks management....ALOT. Imagine if Kubalik actually played with Kane?!?!?! He'd be a 40 goal scorer.


    Based on this statement, you're making it sound like managing/coaching a hockey team is like playing NHL 22 on Xbox.

    It's not.



    The one LW exception Ottawa will make when it comes to making an acquisition is Filip Forsberg.

    That's pretty much it.



    Also, Kane isn't feeding Kubalik "for snipes".

    That's a play-maker named either Jonathan Toews or Kirby Dach.

    If Kubalik is being "fed for snipes" in Ottawa, it will be from Josh Norris or Shane Pinto.
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    Based on this statement, you're making it sound like managing/coaching a hockey team is like playing NHL 22 on Xbox.

    It's not.



    The one LW exception Ottawa will make when it comes to making an acquisition is Filip Forsberg.

    That's pretty much it.



    Also, Kane isn't feeding Kubalik "for snipes".

    That's a player-maker named either Jonathan Toews or Kirby Dach.

    If Kubalik is being "fed for snipes" in Ottawa, it will be from Josh Norris or Shane Pinto.


    Kubalik could probably go 35+ if he was playing with Stutzle. Playing Connor Brown or Tierney with Stutzle is just forcing him to adapt to a dump and chase type of player which we don’t want.
    Oct. 24, 2021 at 12:49 p.m.
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    Quoting: exo2769
    They're getting back Mitchell (who isn't a slouch by any strectch) and OTT fans have been actively dumping on Brannstrom for about a year now. I haven't watch Brannstrom recently. I just read what OTT fans think about him and it's not very good.


    Sens fans aren't dumping on him, there's just clearly a disconnect between the player and the coach, and the writing is on the wall. In terms of his ability, there's no question he's an NHL ready player. He should be playing 2nd pair, PP2 in Ottawa.
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