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2022 2023 Ottawa Senators

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Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 24, 2021
Published: Oct. 24, 2021
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Free Agent Signings
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3$925,000
3$825,000
3$875,000
3$875,000
3$925,000
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2$925,000
3$5,250,000
2$825,000
2$925,000
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5$2,250,000
7$7,250,000
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  1. 2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (OTT)
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2022
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21$81,500,000$65,668,214$0$3,525,000$15,831,786
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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LW
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C
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
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C
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LW
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
C
RFA - 1
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RFA - 1
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C, LW
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LW
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
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G
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$750,000$750,000
LD
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RD
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 4:51 p.m.
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Anaheim declines
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 5:04 p.m.
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Anaheim declines


Why? Ducks are wasting Gibson just like Trout. Trade him
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 5:04 p.m.
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That's overpayment on Kravtsov.


Tampa's 2nd alone should be enough to get him, based on what the Rangers got for Lias Andersson.
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 5:08 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
That's overpayment on Kravtsov.


Tampa's 2nd alone should be enough to get him, based on what the Rangers got for Lias Andersson.


I understand, just didn't want any rags fans on my butt about it... lol
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 5:08 p.m.
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Why? Ducks are wasting Gibson just like Trout. Trade him


They aren’t wasting him. We’re a rebuilding team. He’s been to many playoff series and has had a great career. Anaheim doesn’t move him until he claims to want a trade ( which I do if ever happens as he seems to love Anaheim )
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 5:11 p.m.
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Why? Ducks are wasting Gibson just like Trout. Trade him


My thoughts exactly
Oct. 24, 2021 at 5:15 p.m.
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If Gibson wants to go, and to Ottawa of all places, then substitute Batherson for Thomson or Brannstrom and your 2022 first for Matt Murray.
Oct. 24, 2021 at 5:18 p.m.
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Why? Ducks are wasting Gibson just like Trout. Trade him


So that's why we've held onto Kopi, who's played in two playoff series since 2014 and is 6 years older than Gibson?
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 5:20 p.m.
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You seriously think anyone is trading for Murray and that contract??

Anaheim laughs
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 5:38 p.m.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
You seriously think anyone is trading for Murray and that contract??

Anaheim laughs


Personally, I'd look at how the ducks defense would look like,

Brannstrom/Manson
Lindholm or Fowler/Thompson
???/???

Pretty good offensively so I'd trade Fowler to a team desperately in need of someone like Fowler for a good centerman, possibly New Jersey, doesn't that top 4 on the back end look great? And I'm not even trolling...
Oct. 24, 2021 at 5:44 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
So that's why we've held onto Kopi, who's played in two playoff series since 2014 and is 6 years older than Gibson?

I mean it’s really a different story and im sure you know that.
Oct. 24, 2021 at 5:45 p.m.
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They aren’t wasting him. We’re a rebuilding team. He’s been to many playoff series and has had a great career. Anaheim doesn’t move him until he claims to want a trade ( which I do if ever happens as he seems to love Anaheim )

Trout 2.0 guaranteed
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 5:53 p.m.
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Quoting: KINGS67
I mean it’s really a different story and im sure you know that.


Well, I'm just trying to make the point that the "wasting away his youth" argument is a chimera. A team doesn't improve by trading away its prime assets and thereby guaranteeing that they continue to lose.

And no, the story isn't different because the argument can be made that after 2017, our decline was obvious and "we could have traded Kopi away because his talents were going to be wasted until LA returned to relevance in 2022 and we could have gotten a great haul for him." That argument is as bad as saying Anaheim should trade away Gibson because HIS talents are being wasted or the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (ha, ha, ha) should trade away Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani because THEIR talents are being wasted.

The right way to rebuild is the path that both the Kings and Ducks have taken -- keep your most valuable long-term assets while acquiring the players to build an eventual winner around.
Oct. 24, 2021 at 7:12 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 24, 2021 at 7:33 p.m.
Quoting: OldNYIfan
If Gibson wants to go, and to Ottawa of all places, then substitute Batherson for Thomson or Brannstrom and your 2022 first for Matt Murray.


So Batherson + Brannstrom + 2022 OTT first ???

Damn, please show me a goalie trade that has returned anywhere close to that

It's basically an Eichel package
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 7:33 p.m.
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So Batherson + Brannstrom + 2022 OTT first ???

Damn, please a show a goalie that has returned anywhere close to that

It's basically an Eichel package


That really is, that's why I put Thompson and Brannstrom packaged with Murray for Gibson, we all know with all exaggerations aside, Murray isn't too bad of a goalie and would actually help a rebuilding team... Am I not right?
Oct. 24, 2021 at 7:58 p.m.
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That really is, that's why I put Thompson and Brannstrom packaged with Murray for Gibson, we all know with all exaggerations aside, Murray isn't too bad of a goalie and would actually help a rebuilding team... Am I not right?


Misconceptions are everywhere

After the Sens were capable of defending at a NHL level (I have that as ~March 15th), this is the Sens goalies SV% :

Matt Murray : 0.949 SV% (7 GP)
Filip Gustavsson : 0.934 SV% (10 GP)
Marcus Hogberg : 0.912 SV% (4 GP)
Anton Forsberg : 0.910 SV% (11 GP)
Joey Daccord : 0.898 SV% (2 GP)

Murray has looked like his former self in his last 7 starts (sample size would have been bigger if it wasn't for a shortened season)
Oct. 24, 2021 at 8:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Xspyrit
So Batherson + Brannstrom + 2022 OTT first ???

Damn, please show me a goalie trade that has returned anywhere close to that

It's basically an Eichel package


The usual conflation of "a goalie" with "a goalie of John Gibson's stature with an extremely team-favorable lengthy contract."

Closest is one year of Darcy Kuemper, whom some people confuse with a goalie of Gibson's skill, for a first-round draft pick and an A prospect RD. What's the additional FIVE years worth?

More to the point, why in the world would Anaheim want to trade him for less?
Oct. 24, 2021 at 9:27 p.m.
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The usual conflation of "a goalie" with "a goalie of John Gibson's stature with an extremely team-favorable lengthy contract."

Closest is one year of Darcy Kuemper, whom some people confuse with a goalie of Gibson's skill, for a first-round draft pick and an A prospect RD. What's the additional FIVE years worth?

More to the point, why in the world would Anaheim want to trade him for less?


Of course, nobody is forcing them to trade him, which is probably why they will keep him until his value goes down

Personally, I don't want to acquire Gibson, I don't want to pay the price and I would rather spend money/assets on RD and/or RW. Sens are going to be fine for a long time with Gustavsson/Sogaard/Merilainen... and well Matt Murray if he can stop being injury prone

Kuemper trade was very contextual and I'm sure everyone agrees that the Avs overpaid because they abolsutely had to get a quality goalie after losing Grubauer

But for the comparison sake, the Colorado 1st and Ottawa 1st is nowhere near the same value. I would also take Brannstrom and Thomson over Timmins


Batherson + Brannstrom + 2022 OTT first is just not a realistic return... the only goalie who might worth that is Andrei Vasilevskiy
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:39 p.m.
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Of course, nobody is forcing them to trade him, which is probably why they will keep him until his value goes down

Personally, I don't want to acquire Gibson, I don't want to pay the price and I would rather spend money/assets on RD and/or RW. Sens are going to be fine for a long time with Gustavsson/Sogaard/Merilainen... and well Matt Murray if he can stop being injury prone

Kuemper trade was very contextual and I'm sure everyone agrees that the Avs overpaid because they abolsutely had to get a quality goalie after losing Grubauer

But for the comparison sake, the Colorado 1st and Ottawa 1st is nowhere near the same value. I would also take Brannstrom and Thomson over Timmins


Batherson + Brannstrom + 2022 OTT first is just not a realistic return... the only goalie who might worth that is Andrei Vasilevskiy


Some thoughts in reply to your informed and courteous response:

Gustavsson, Sogaard and Merilainen are all excellent prospects, but none has the track record of Gibson. None came with the expectations of Demko or Knight, for example. Of course, I hope that at least one of them turns into an NHL starter for years.

I'm confused by your characterization of the Kuemper trade as "contextual," as if that supports a conclusion that he was overvalued. Colorado is a team that expects, and is expected, to be a serious Cup contender, both this season and in the next few seasons, at least. I think that any team that lacked a starter and hoped for playoff success would pay a reasonable and proper price for one. Ottawa has pretensions to being a serious contender in 2023-2024 and for several years thereafter; I wouldn't think that they would expect to get a long-term starter of high quality for less. It's not as if they're trading for Semyon Varlamov (who I consider, right now, to be at least as valuable as Gibby).

You're absolutely right that Ottawa's 2022 first >> Colorado's 2022 first. The reason I mentioned Brannstrom is that he's in this trade, and I've seen a lot of Ottawa ACGMs that imply that he's been passed up on the depth chart by other good D prospects in your system. But I don't think it's accurate to evaluate either him or Thomson as superior to Timmons.

I admit that this is a very high return for Gibson, but I put a LOT of stock on his age (he'll be only 34 when his contract expires, so I don't expect that much of a drop-off at the end of it), the term, and the fact that he was really very, very good when he had a high-quality defense in front of him. And as we have already seen in the games when the Ducks have played well in front of him this year, he's stil in the top quarter of goaltenders in the League.
Oct. 25, 2021 at 10:21 a.m.
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That's overpayment on Kravtsov.


Tampa's 2nd alone should be enough to get him, based on what the Rangers got for Lias Andersson.


NYRs asking price is a top prospect and they won’t settle for anything less
Oct. 25, 2021 at 10:24 a.m.
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NYRs asking price is a top prospect and they won’t settle for anything less


A top prospect for a prospect that is in danger of turning into a bust.

Yeah, that sounds fair :/


Good luck with that awesome face
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Oct. 25, 2021 at 10:26 a.m.
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A top prospect for a prospect that is in danger of turning into a bust.

Yeah, that sounds fair :/


Good luck with that awesome face


It’s not my asking price it’s NYs when asked in a press conference what the ask for kratsov was they said a top prospect and they wouldn’t budge from that
Oct. 25, 2021 at 10:31 a.m.
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It’s not my asking price it’s NYs when asked in a press conference what the ask for kratsov was they said a top prospect and they wouldn’t budge from that


In that case, they can watch Kravtsov turn into a bust.

And then be cast off to the Island of Misfit Toys.



Rangers are way in over their heads on Kravtsov.

Big time.
Oct. 25, 2021 at 10:33 a.m.
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In that case, they can watch Kravtsov turn into a bust.

And then be cast off to the Island of Misfit Toys.



Rangers are way in over their heads on Kravtsov.

Big time.


If you really think no team is gonna take the bait and throw their top prospect at the rangers for kratsov than you must be new to the nhl
Oct. 25, 2021 at 10:38 a.m.
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If you really think no team is gonna take the bait and throw their top prospect at the rangers for kratsov than you must be new to the nhl


Kravtsov is not a top prospect anymore and is at risk of turning into a bust.

If you think the Rangers are going to be trading Kravtsov from a position of strength instead of weakness, then you must be new to the NHL.


So, there awesome face
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