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What do you think of swapping Vitali Kravtsov for Barrett Hayton

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  1. Hayton, Barrett
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Trade is based on the Cody Glass-Nolan Patrick swap from July 17th.

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  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
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To me, this makes more sense than swapping Kravtsov for Erik Brannstrom.
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What do you think of swapping Vitali Kravtsov for Barrett Hayton?
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 8:39 p.m.
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What do you do with Goodrow when Kakko comes back?
Oct. 24, 2021 at 8:45 p.m.
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What do you do with Goodrow when Kakko comes back?


Goodrow would move down to the third line.

Blais or Hayton would move down to the fourth line.

And Gauthier would get scratched.
Oct. 24, 2021 at 8:48 p.m.
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Goodrow would move down to the third line.

Blais or Hayton would move down to the fourth line.

And Gauthier would get scratched.


So youre breaking up the one line that seems to be working well together in LAF, Chytil and Blais?

PS: Gallant and Drury arent scratching Reaves.
Oct. 24, 2021 at 8:49 p.m.
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I've been a proponent of this trade for some time now. I know NYR doesn't want to add, but I think it would be more fair if Arizona also acquired a mid round pick on top of Kravtsov.
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 8:52 p.m.
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So youre breaking up the one line that seems to be working well together in LAF, Chytil and Blais?

PS: Gallant and Drury arent scratching Reaves.


I just threw the lines together largely by using Capfriendly's depth chart.

https://www.capfriendly.com/depth-charts/rangers

Didn't really put much thought into it.



But that's not really the topic of this post, is it?
Oct. 24, 2021 at 8:52 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 24, 2021 at 9:08 p.m.
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What do you do with Goodrow when Kakko comes back?


Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Strome - Goodrow
Lafreniere - Chytil - Blais
Hayton - Rooney - Reaves
Extras: Hunt, Barron


Maybe New York might add Julien Gauthier to this deal?
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 8:54 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
I just threw the lines together largely by using Capfriendly's depth chart.

https://www.capfriendly.com/depth-charts/rangers

Didn't really put much thought into it.



But that's not really the topic of this post, is it?


The point is where does he fit in our lineup? We need RW more than anything.
Oct. 24, 2021 at 8:55 p.m.
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Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Strome - Goodrow
Lafreniere - Chytil - Blais
Hayton - Rooney - Reaves
Extras: Hunt, Barron


So we trade for Hayton to stick him on the 4th line where Hunt has played pretty well?
Oct. 24, 2021 at 8:58 p.m.
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The point is where does he fit in our lineup? We need RW more than anything.


I thought the point was interrogating a Non-Rangers fan over an issue for which you likely already know the answer.


Since Kravtsov is a RW, it's good to know that you think this swap is bad.


Cheers!
Oct. 24, 2021 at 8:58 p.m.
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So we trade for Hayton to stick him on the 4th line where Hunt has played pretty well?


If everyone is healthy then they would rotate (with Hunt likely getting priority). But that's not static.
At maximum, the Rangers will play 15 more games without any inactives via injury within the forward lines.
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 9:00 p.m.
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I thought the point was interrogating a Non-Rangers fan over an issue for which you likely already know the answer.


Since Kravtsov is a RW, it's good to know that you think this swap is bad.


Cheers!


Barrett Hayton can play center. Any center prospect will be useful for the Rangers.
In regards to RW, veterans like Phil Kessel will be more useful for the Rangers compared to prospects.
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 9:04 p.m.
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@sensonfire Hey off topic here, but this just came in and I see you're a Senators fan. Sharks just traded Dylan Gambrell to Ottawa for a 7th
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 9:04 p.m.
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if there is a trade between rangers and coyotes involving kravtsov it will be kravtsov for one of their 2nd round picks or him + something for kessel
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 9:10 p.m.
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sensonfire Hey off topic here, but this just came in and I see you're a Senators fan. Sharks just traded Dylan Gambrell to Ottawa for a 7th


He was placed on waivers two weeks ago and we could have claimed him for free.

Win for San Jose frown
Oct. 24, 2021 at 9:14 p.m.
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Barrett Hayton can play center. Any center prospect will be useful for the Rangers.
In regards to RW, veterans like Phil Kessel will be more useful for the Rangers compared to prospects.


Considering that Toronto paid a 1st round pick for Foligno last year, I expect that to be the minimum asking price for Kessel. He might be to expensive for us as a rental. As said by someone else, hes the kind of move you make if youre a cup contender and this team isnt there yet.

Center prospects are nice but unless someone gets hurt again he wont be doing that.

As far as LW goes, the only natural RW on the ice right now is Reaves, we have 3 LW playing on the right side.
Oct. 24, 2021 at 9:24 p.m.
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Considering that Toronto paid a 1st round pick for Foligno last year, I expect that to be the minimum asking price for Kessel. He might be to expensive for us as a rental. As said by someone else, hes the kind of move you make if youre a cup contender and this team isnt there yet.

Center prospects are nice but unless someone gets hurt again he wont be doing that.

As far as LW goes, the only natural RW on the ice right now is Reaves, we have 3 LW playing on the right side.


Well, I'd rather have Kessel than the 1st round pick. And there's no guarantee that's the minimum price especially when Taylor Hall costed a 2nd and Anders Bjork.
For the record, someone else will get hurt again. I just said that. Let's play someone who's more promising than Greg McKegg and Julien Gauthier.
Oct. 24, 2021 at 9:57 p.m.
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Well, I'd rather have Kessel than the 1st round pick. And there's no guarantee that's the minimum price especially when Taylor Hall costed a 2nd and Anders Bjork.
For the record, someone else will get hurt again. I just said that. Let's play someone who's more promising than Greg McKegg and Julien Gauthier.


Id say Morgan Barron is far more promising than McKegg and Rooney, yet hes either on the 4th LW or a healthy scratch. Im high on Barron, but thats just me.

Gallant likes McKegg and you cant prove him otherwise because were 4-0 with him in the lineup (regardless if we got some fortunate calls.

Trading a 1st round pick for a player were not resigning and not to make the cup finals is a waste.
Oct. 24, 2021 at 10:21 p.m.
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I can't see why Arizona is trading a c prospect for a w prospect with no significant upgrade in quality. I think they hold onto Hayton as he has more upside as if they both hit, the top 6 c is more impactful
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 10:21 p.m.
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I think the question would be... is Hayton a better 4th liner than Hunt? I don't know that it's worth it. This is besides the fact the #Insiders are all saying Hayton isn't on the market, and it's just a rumor for some reason

I'm not sure exactly what Drury wants, but I can at least agree that it's definitely a better trade than Brannstrom. I think Drury is waiting to see if Kravstov can be apart of a bigger move, if it's even necessary

Ultimately I think Blais is going to steal that 3rd line spot Kravstov would've had, so whoever is acquired will probably go on the 4th line, or need to be a future prospect
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 10:38 p.m.
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This completely ignores the single fact that Hayton is currently the only center prospect of note within the Coyotes system. In a system that is amongst the worst center depth in the league after moving out Dvorak.

Granted, they're obviously tanking for Wright. Or hoping to at least get one of Lambert or Savoie to get themselves a franchise center. Hayton is still young enough that he can fit into their rebuild plans and still become a top six center in his own right.

I don't think they'd consider moving him in exchange for Kravtsov. Kessel and some picks for sure, but their best center prospect is highly unlikely.
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Oct. 24, 2021 at 11:54 p.m.
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Id say Morgan Barron is far more promising than McKegg and Rooney, yet hes either on the 4th LW or a healthy scratch. Im high on Barron, but thats just me.

Gallant likes McKegg and you cant prove him otherwise because were 4-0 with him in the lineup (regardless if we got some fortunate calls.

Trading a 1st round pick for a player were not resigning and not to make the cup finals is a waste.


Why would that be a waste? I think it's very clear that the Rangers have to buy at the TDL to have the opportunity of reaching the SCF. With the current state of the Rangers, that opportunity is far more valuable than holding the draft rights for somewhere around the 20th overall pick.

I would also agree that Morgan Barron has more upside (is more promising) than both guys you listed, but Kevin Rooney is easily the best player of that group as of now.
Oct. 25, 2021 at 12:06 a.m.
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Why would that be a waste? I think it's very clear that the Rangers have to buy at the TDL to have the opportunity of reaching the SCF. With the current state of the Rangers, that opportunity is far more valuable than holding the draft rights for somewhere around the 20th overall pick.

I would also agree that Morgan Barron has more upside (is more promising) than both guys you listed, but Kevin Rooney is easily the best player of that group as of now.


The thing with Rooney is he has a role, and hes really good at it. However he doesnt belong in the top 9.

Even if we got Kessel, this team is not yet at the point where Id consider us Stanley Cup contenders. Right now Id call us a fringe playoff team regardless of our start. By your statement, we should trade our 1st round pick every year for a potential rental because its more valuable to be in the playoffs than to draft and keep the farm system stocked. Then in 5 years when all these guys are skating into the wrong side of 30, youll be wondering where the teams development went. Oh yea, rentals that went no where.
Oct. 25, 2021 at 12:21 a.m.
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The thing with Rooney is he has a role, and hes really good at it. However he doesnt belong in the top 9.

Even if we got Kessel, this team is not yet at the point where Id consider us Stanley Cup contenders. Right now Id call us a fringe playoff team regardless of our start. By your statement, we should trade our 1st round pick every year for a potential rental because its more valuable to be in the playoffs than to draft and keep the farm system stocked. Then in 5 years when all these guys are skating into the wrong side of 30, youll be wondering where the teams development went. Oh yea, rentals that went no where.


Strawman. By my statement, contending teams don't need to emphasize the maintenance of a farm system. That doesn't mean it's compulsory to trade your first round pick every damn year lol (And for the record, that's basically EXACTLY what the Rangers did during Henrik Lundqvist's cup window. So that's not even the worst possible outcome). In addition, I said "pushing for the cup" is more valuable than owning a present-day draft pick. I did not say "pushing for the playoffs."

If you don't think the Rangers are a cup contender then that's one thing. But if the Rangers are still top 3 in the Metro by the time it's February, then it's time to pull the trigger.
Oct. 25, 2021 at 12:24 a.m.
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@aecliptic Also just to be clear, I'm in favor of buying at the trade deadline for the same reason you'd be in favor of the Rickard Rakell trade in your recent ACGM from today.
Oct. 25, 2021 at 12:27 a.m.
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Strawman. By my statement, contending teams don't need to emphasize the maintenance of a farm system. That doesn't mean it's compulsory to trade your first round pick every damn year lol (And for the record, that's basically EXACTLY what the Rangers did during Henrik Lundqvist's cup window. So that's not even the worst possible outcome). In addition, I said "pushing for the cup" is more valuable than owning a present-day draft pick. I did not say "pushing for the playoffs."

If you don't think the Rangers are a cup contender then that's one thing. But if the Rangers are still top 3 in the Metro by the time it's February, then it's time to pull the trigger.


And if not for 2 lucky drafts and a defenseman that only wanted to play for his home city, we would still be crawling out of that black hole.

Furthermore, the whole time Ive been saying that I dont think theyre cup contenders yet.
 
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