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What would it take to pry Cernak from the lightning

Created by: OwnGoal
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 26, 2021
Published: Oct. 26, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators
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Just for fun if the lightning we’re willing to part what do you think the price would be?? Not necessarily even from the senators but any NHL team in general. Just trying to gauge value on a Solid top 4 Dman
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  1. Cernak, Erik
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  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
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  • Bobby Ryan: $3,583,333
  • Dion Phaneuf: $354,167
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Nicholas Paul: $600,750 (45%)
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2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$68,428,174$0$4,057,500$13,071,826
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Tkachuk, Brady
$8,330,674
LW, C
UFA - 7
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Tierney, Chris
$3,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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Batherson, Drake
$4,975,000
RW
UFA - 6
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Brown, Connor
$3,600,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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Paul, Nicholas
$749,250
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Sabourin, Scott
$750,000
RW
UFA - 1
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Sanford, Zachary
$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Gambrell, Dylan
$1,100,000
C
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Stützle, Tim
$925,000
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Norris, Joshua
$925,000
C
RFA - 1
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Formenton, Alex
$747,500
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RFA - 1
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Ennis, Tyler
$900,000
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UFA - 1
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Shaw, Logan
$725,000
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UFA - 1
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Chabot, Thomas
$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 7
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Zub, Artem
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
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Forsberg, Anton
$900,000
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UFA - 1
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Del Zotto, Michael
$2,000,000
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Brown, Joshua
$1,200,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Gustavsson, Filip
$787,500
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RFA - 2
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Holden, Nick
$1,700,000
LD
UFA - 1
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Mete, Victor
$1,200,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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Cernak, Erik
$2,950,000
RD
RFA - 2
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Murray, Matt
$6,250,000
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UFA - 3
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White, Colin
$4,750,000
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Watson, Austin
$1,500,000
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Pinto, Shane
$925,000
C
RFA - 2

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Oct. 26, 2021 at 1:37 p.m.
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A lot. Think Zub, for Ottawa. What would it take for a team to pry Zub from Ottawa?
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Oct. 26, 2021 at 1:44 p.m.
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No chance he is by far their best player at their weakest position on a really good contract. Not happening. Guys without NMC'S not being moved in order Point Cernak Sergachev Cirelli
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Oct. 26, 2021 at 1:45 p.m.
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I mean cernak is their only true top 4 RD, so I think you’d have to pry pretty hard.

I don’t know the exact value it would take, but it would be too much. He’s worth more to them than he is to other teams.
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Oct. 26, 2021 at 1:57 p.m.
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We would need a young experienced defensively capable RHD in return.
Oh wait, that's Cernak.

But if we must, give us Stützle.
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Oct. 26, 2021 at 1:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
No chance he is by far their best player at their weakest position on a really good contract. Not happening. Guys without NMC'S not being moved in order Point Cernak Sergachev Cirelli

It’s a hypothetical it’s understood he’s important to Tampa’s success. What do you think he would be worth if they had to sell him?
Oct. 26, 2021 at 2:01 p.m.
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We would need a young experienced defensively capable RHD in return.
Oh wait, that's Cernak.

But if we must, give us Stützle.

It’s just a question man. Doesn’t have to be a senators comparable either I’m genuinely curious what people think a solid top4 Dman is worth
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Oct. 26, 2021 at 2:07 p.m.
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It’s just a question man. Doesn’t have to be a senators comparable either I’m genuinely curious what people think a solid top4 Dman is worth


A vast overpayment . When you factor in his important player, singed long term at a good cap hit for a cup contender. There is a kings ransom attached to him yo make it even worth Tampa’s consideration.
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Oct. 26, 2021 at 2:08 p.m.
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Honestly Cernak is pretty much untouchable. Best player at weakest position on an amazing contract. It would take a lot. Plus we'd need a RD (Zub) back and then both teams are just going sideways.

Edit: Zub, 2022 1st (yes I know it's an overpay. That's what it would take)
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Oct. 27, 2021 at 10:12 a.m.
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lol Nobody is answering the OP question. We know TB won't be looking to trade Cernak

IF there was an alternative reality where they would, I am guessing a 1st and a pretty good prospect.

Quoting: CoopsTroops
But if we must, give us Stützle.


Some people are really funny on this site. It's like they get offended when other fans are interested in their players so they retort with some kind of ridiculous hyperbole

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Honestly Cernak is pretty much untouchable. Best player at weakest position on an amazing contract. It would take a lot. Plus we'd need a RD (Zub) back and then both teams are just going sideways.

Edit: Zub, 2022 1st (yes I know it's an overpay. That's what it would take)


Understandable but that 1st round pick could be a very high end piece... so Ottawa would rather just keep Zub, who is looking fantastic right now.
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Oct. 27, 2021 at 10:20 a.m.
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Some people are really funny on this site. It's like they get offended when other fans are interested in their players so they retort with some kind of ridiculous hyperbole

Lol. Sorry if you don't like my prices, but the ACGMs are seemingly fixated on Cernak even though he won't be going anywhere anytime soon. That's my price though to anyone who wants him.
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Oct. 27, 2021 at 10:29 a.m.
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Quoting: CoopsTroops
Lol. Sorry if you don't like my prices, but the ACGMs are seemingly fixated on Cernak even though he won't be going anywhere anytime soon. That's my price though to anyone who wants him.


When fans from other teams want to acquire your players, it's a compliment, not an offense.

If I see someone asking what the price would be for Zub, would I say Alexis Lafreniere/Anton Lundell?

No, because that'd be stupid hyperbole.

If someone is offering Zaitsev + 3rd for Cernak, then maybe you can laugh at the offer and go with your hyperbole but who did anything close to that here?
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Oct. 27, 2021 at 10:39 a.m.
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When fans from other teams want to acquire your players, it's a compliment, not an offense.

If I see someone asking what the price would be for Zub, would I say Alexis Lafreniere/Anton Lundell?

No, because that'd be stupid hyperbole.

If someone is offering Zaitsev + 3rd for Cernak, then maybe you can laugh at the offer and go with your hyperbole but who did anything close to that here?


I'll tell you what, I am sympathetic to your cause, so I'll give you the trade price of if Cernak was on the market. Once upon a time the Lightning traded for Braydon Coburn. We paid:
- 1st
- 3rd
- Radko Gudas on RFA ending contract

Now I would add premium on:
1) Cernak > Coburn in their prime
2) Cernak is RFA unlike Coburn when we acquired him
3) Cernak is a RHD as opposed to LHD
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Oct. 27, 2021 at 2:40 p.m.
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Quoting: CoopsTroops
I'll tell you what, I am sympathetic to your cause, so I'll give you the trade price of if Cernak was on the market. Once upon a time the Lightning traded for Braydon Coburn. We paid:
- 1st
- 3rd
- Radko Gudas on RFA ending contract

Now I would add premium on:
1) Cernak > Coburn in their prime
2) Cernak is RFA unlike Coburn when we acquired him
3) Cernak is a RHD as opposed to LHD


It's not my cause as I am not the OP. Not that I don't want Cernak but never really thought hed be available so no point looking into it

@OwnGoal asked a question and it took several posts before getting some answers because people were arguing something else instead.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 3:15 p.m.
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When fans from other teams want to acquire your players, it's a compliment, not an offense.

If I see someone asking what the price would be for Zub, would I say Alexis Lafreniere/Anton Lundell?

No, because that'd be stupid hyperbole.

If someone is offering Zaitsev + 3rd for Cernak, then maybe you can laugh at the offer and go with your hyperbole but who did anything close to that here?


You're correct the author of this ACGM didn't even offer the 3rd plus it was Zaitsev for Cernak one for one
Oct. 27, 2021 at 3:21 p.m.
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You're correct the author of this ACGM didn't even offer the 3rd plus it was Zaitsev for Cernak one for one


yeah lol, if it wasn't for the "Team Explanation", he would have been bashed
 
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