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Team: 2022-23 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 27, 2021
Published: Oct. 27, 2021
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How on earth would they manage to trade for and resign Hertl? Unless Fox took a huge discount, they moved Chytil in the deal, didn’t sign Blais and gave Kakko a much cheaper bridge it seems really tough considering Hertl will probably get an extension in the $6.5-7.5 mil range.
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Oct. 27, 2021 at 3:39 a.m.
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Kakko doesn’t have arbitration rights. Why pay him that much if not locking him in long term.?? The QO calculator says his qualifying offer is only 875K.

Pay him 875K next season and pay him long term the next season, when he has arbitration rights.

No need to pay a 20 year old, with no arbitration rights, long term like that just yet, in my opinion.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 4:39 a.m.
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fox isnt getting 10 mil, kakko wont get a long-term deal unless he explodes this year, problem solved.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 9:40 a.m.
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fox isnt getting 10 mil, kakko wont get a long-term deal unless he explodes this year, problem solved.


Either way it doesn't fit, try making 24, 25, 26 seasons with due raises, still F depth needs and yes ntcs.
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Oct. 27, 2021 at 9:44 a.m.
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Finally, a fellow nyr fan that has researched the future cap in a realistic way.
Congrats.
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Oct. 27, 2021 at 10:40 a.m.
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Kakko doesn’t have arbitration rights. Why pay him that much if not locking him in long term.?? The QO calculator says his qualifying offer is only 875K.

Pay him 875K next season and pay him long term the next season, when he has arbitration rights.

No need to pay a 20 year old, with no arbitration rights, long term like that just yet, in my opinion.


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fox isnt getting 10 mil, kakko wont get a long-term deal unless he explodes this year, problem solved.


Kakko is only getting a 3 year bridge. Not a long term deal at all. To suggest Fox doesn’t get at least $9-9.5 mil long term is ridiculous. Might as well pay him now than in 2 years when he’s worth potentially $11-13 mil.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 10:52 a.m.
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Kakko is only getting a 3 year bridge. Not a long term deal at all. To suggest Fox doesn’t get at least $9-9.5 mil long term is ridiculous. Might as well pay him now than in 2 years when he’s worth potentially $11-13 mil.


Yes, I understand and already read your description that Kakko is getting a 3 year bridge. Why? He has no arbitration rights?? His QO(qualifying offer) is only 875k. And yes, a 3 year deal is long term for a 20 year old. There is no need to even do that. He’s a RFA with no arbitration rights. He has to sign the 875K offer or not play. Again, no arbitration rights.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 10:55 a.m.
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Yes, I understand and already read your description that Kakko is getting a 3 year bridge. Why? He has no arbitration rights?? His QO(qualifying offer) is only 875k. And yes, a 3 year deal is long term for a 20 year old. There is no need to even do that. He’s a RFA with no arbitration rights. He has to sign the 875K offer or not play. Again, no arbitration rights.


The whole point is to stagger the contracts so we’re not stuck next year having to pay him a ton if he decides to break out. That only makes life harder to resign Laf, Miller, Chytil and fill out the right side.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 11:04 a.m.
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The whole point is to stagger the contracts so we’re not stuck next year having to pay him a ton if he decides to break out. That only makes life harder to resign Laf, Miller, Chytil and fill out the right side.


I don’t think u understand how restricted free agency works. With qualifying offers and arbitration rights. He only gets a good deal on a break out season with arbitration rights. He can take it to an arbitration hearing if he doesn’t agree with the contract offer. With no arbitration rights, players have to take the QO.

Which is 875k in Kakko’s case.

Unless a team wants to lock a young player up long term; then they take less long term and the team forgoes those cheap years with no arbitration rights. So the player makes more right away but take less long term.

A player will make say 5M right away instead of the 875k and the team gets a deal 6 or 8 or 10 years down the line when the salary cap goes up and they expect the player to break out and deserve more than 5M. The team saves money then. The player makes more right away.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.
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Kakko is only getting a 3 year bridge. Not a long term deal at all. To suggest Fox doesn’t get at least $9-9.5 mil long term is ridiculous. Might as well pay him now than in 2 years when he’s worth potentially $11-13 mil.


do you know how contracts work? he wont automatically go from 9-5 mil to being worth mcdavid money in 2 years.. i never said we he wouldnt get 9-9.5 mil, or that id want him on a bridge deal, i was just saying 10 mil is too high. he most likely gets a 9*8, maybe a 9.5*8 if he really explodes this season.

the thing is, you basically created a worse-case scenario, assumed no one was gonna get moved, to prove that we cant trade for a player who most people think we'll trade for. a trade that has been posted so many times on this site in ways that do work within the cap. this is just a ridiculous and unnecessary conversation and i dont even know what im doing here.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 12:06 p.m.
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do you know how contracts work? he wont automatically go from 9-5 mil to being worth mcdavid money in 2 years.. i never said we he wouldnt get 9-9.5 mil, or that id want him on a bridge deal, i was just saying 10 mil is too high. he most likely gets a 9*8, maybe a 9.5*8 if he really explodes this season.

the thing is, you basically created a worse-case scenario, assumed no one was gonna get moved, to prove that we cant trade for a player who most people think we'll trade for. a trade that has been posted so many times on this site in ways that do work within the cap. this is just a ridiculous and unnecessary conversation and i dont even know what im doing here.


Then shut up and get off the post if your gonna complain. He’s already won the Norris and is better than half of the $9 mil defenseman that’ve been paid. To suggest he gets less than Makar and McAvoy long term is ludicrous.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 12:08 p.m.
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I don’t think u understand how restricted free agency works. With qualifying offers and arbitration rights. He only gets a good deal on a break out season with arbitration rights. He can take it to an arbitration hearing if he doesn’t agree with the contract offer. With no arbitration rights, players have to take the QO.

Which is 875k in Kakko’s case.

Unless a team wants to lock a young player up long term; then they take less long term and the team forgoes those cheap years with no arbitration rights. So the player makes more right away but take less long term.

A player will make say 5M right away instead of the 875k and the team gets a deal 6 or 8 or 10 years down the line when the salary cap goes up and they expect the player to break out and deserve more than 5M. The team saves money then. The player makes more right away.


Your logic that he isn’t worth it now is very short sighted and only makes things worse next year. I won’t argue with someone who can’t see past a single year.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 12:14 p.m.
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Your logic that he isn’t worth it now is very short sighted and only makes things worse next year. I won’t argue with someone who can’t see past a single year.


Dude , u don’t understand RFA and arbitration rights. U need to do some reading my man.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 12:22 p.m.
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Dude , u don’t understand RFA and arbitration rights. U need to do some reading my man.


I perfectly understand that he can’t go to arbitration this year. I’d rather have him signed for 3 years at $2.5-3.5 mil than league min next year and then have to deal with arbitration next year where he could potentially get double that depending on how he performs next year.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 12:30 p.m.
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Then shut up and get off the post if your gonna complain. He’s already won the Norris and is better than half of the $9 mil defenseman that’ve been paid. To suggest he gets less than Makar and McAvoy long term is ludicrous.


makar got 9 mil, mcavoy got 9.5, im literally suggesting he gets 9-9.5 since when is that less than what either of them got... im just saying mcdavid money is ludicrous.
Oct. 27, 2021 at 12:32 p.m.
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I perfectly understand that he can’t go to arbitration this year. I’d rather have him signed for 3 years at $2.5-3.5 mil than league min next year and then have to deal with arbitration next year where he could potentially get double that depending on how he performs next year.


Ya, like I said, teams don’t do that unless it’s a long term deal. 6-8-10 years. Maybe NY will be the 1st in history to skip two RFA’s years for a 3 year contract. My opinion, they just make him his QO.

Ohh and btw, Kakko needs this 60 plus game season, plus 1 more 60 plus game season to qualify for arbitration rights.

**Kakko Arbitration: 2 additional pro-years required.

So you’d be paying him 3.25M for 2 seasons when he’d only should be making 875k-950K on his rookie contract still.

And for a player in his 1st year with arbitration, to get a 3.25M contract awarded is great for that 1st year in arbitration. So 99.999% likely, Rangers save nothing, unless he’s awarded a 9M contract in his 1st arbitration year..lol.

Again, u might want to do some reading. And again, that’s why teams don’t forgo those RFA years unless it’s a long term deal(6-8-10 years deal).
 
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