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hertl and kane out

Created by: Ian1421
Initial Creation Date: Oct 27, 2021
Published: Oct 27 at 12:35
Team: 2021-22 San Jose Sharks
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Brouwer, Troy1$750,000
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. Hartman, Ryan
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (MIN)
  3. 2022 5th round pick (SJS)
MIN
  1. Kane, Evander
2.
SJS
  1. Compher, J.T.
  2. 2023 5th round pick (COL)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Hertl, Tomas
Buyouts
  • Martin Jones: $1,916,667
Buried
  • Rūdolfs Balcers: $425,000 ($1,550,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
SJS
SJS
SJS
BUF
SJS
SJS
SJS
ARI
MIN
2023
SJS
SJS
SJS
MIN
SJS
SJS
COL
SJS
SJS
2024
SJS
SJS
COL
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$70,006,667$0$377,500$11,493,333
Left WingCenterRight Wing
SJS
Meier, Timo
$6,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
SJS
Couture, Logan
$8,000,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
SJS
Labanc, Kevin
$4,725,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
SJS
Cogliano, Andrew
$1,000,000
LW
UFA - 1
SJS
Bonino, Nick
$2,050,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Compher, J.T.
$3,500,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
$1,700,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
SJS
Weatherby, Jasper
$842,500
C
RFA - 2
SJS
Barabanov, Alexander
$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
SJS
Dahlén, Jonathan
$750,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
SJS
Pederson, Lane
$750,000
C
RFA - 2
SJS
Nieto, Matt
$850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
SJS
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
$7,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 5
SJS
Karlsson, Erik
$11,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
SJS
Reimer, James
$2,250,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
SJS
Simek, Radim
$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 3
SJS
Burns, Brent
$8,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
SJS
Hill, Adin
$2,175,000
G
UFA - 2
SJS
Ferraro, Mario
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
SJS
Hatakka, Santeri
$850,833
LD
RFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Brouwer, Troy
$750,000
LW, RW
UFA
SJS
Knyzhov, Nikolai
$796,667
LD/RD
RFA - 1

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Oct 27 at 12:41
#1
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You should reconsider this Hertl trade before Sharks fans see it
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Oct 27 at 12:43
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scott sabourin
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delete this before you get rightfully cyber bullied
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Oct 27 at 12:49
#3
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Absolutely not!
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Oct 27 at 12:51
#4
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I just posted a trade for Hertl in exchange for a 1st, a 5th, Khudobin and Dellandrea and got "rejected". smile
Oct 27 at 12:52
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Quoting: Phleb2
I just posted a trade for Hertl in exchange for a 1st, a 5th, Khudobin and Dellandrea and got "rejected". smile


it got rejected because we don't need Khudobin anymore, but thats a pretty fair deal.
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Oct 27 at 12:54
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Quaaludes
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A simple no will do here.
Oct 27 at 12:54
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Quoting: bhavikp27
You should reconsider this Hertl trade before Sharks fans see it


Quoting: Marshallchapman9
delete this before you get rightfully cyber bullied


Quoting: RazWild
Absolutely not!


this is a fun site for us to put things out and see how people react so bashing people shouldn't be done.
that being said the Wild don't do that unless sharks retain half, and the Hertl trade is a massive underpayment.
we should get more than what Arizona got for Dvorak.
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Oct 27 at 1:00
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
this is a fun site for us to put things out and see how people react so bashing people shouldn't be done.
that being said the Wild don't do that unless sharks retain half, and the Hertl trade is a massive underpayment.
we should get more than what Arizona got for Dvorak.


My guess is that Hertl's value is around a 1st round pick + A decent prospect or a grade A+ prospect + 2nd or 3rd round pick. This would be a little more than what the Habs paid for Dvorak.
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Oct 27 at 1:02
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
it got rejected because we don't need Khudobin anymore, but thats a pretty fair deal.


Khudobin could be flipped to the Habs or another team in need of goaltending. In other words, this could be a 3 team trade.
Oct 27 at 1:03
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Quoting: Phleb2
My guess is that Hertl's value is around a 1st round pick + A decent prospect or a grade A+ prospect + 2nd or 3rd round pick. This would be a little more than what the Habs paid for Dvorak.


That's my thought as well. or some variation of this offer.
that's why I've posted a lot of NY rangers trading Chytil 1st, and a 2nd.
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Oct 27 at 1:05
#11
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The Tomas Hertl trade is a royal joke, He's worth way more then that. And Evander Kane trade Minnesota 100% declines. No one wants that locker room cancer around.
Oct 27 at 1:11
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Quoting: Phleb2
Khudobin could be flipped to the Habs or another team in need of goaltending. In other words, this could be a 3 team trade.


I can see that, I did an en-facto 3 team trade with Hertl to NY and flipped the assets to Buffalo plus our own for Eichel.
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Oct 27 at 1:13
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
The Tomas Hertl trade is a royal joke, He's worth way more then that. And Evander Kane trade Minnesota 100% declines. No one wants that locker room cancer around.


someone will give Kane a chance again, cause he has proven to be a top line 30 goal scorer with an edge, and he works for about 2 years at each stop before the locker room sours on him, but your not getting anything in return and your probably going to have to retain to trade him.
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Oct 27 at 1:18
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
someone will give Kane a chance again, cause he has proven to be a top line 30 goal scorer with an edge, and he works for about 2 years at each stop before the locker room sours on him, but your not getting anything in return and your probably going to have to retain to trade him.


A rebuilding team might take a chance on him, San Jose would need to take back another bad contract. Not sure i'd give up more then a conditional 7th round pick for him at the most. he just needs to get his life squared away first.
Oct 27 at 1:21
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
A rebuilding team might take a chance on him, San Jose would need to take back another bad contract. Not sure i'd give up more then a conditional 7th round pick for him at the most. he just needs to get his life squared away first.


I agree with that, sharks wont get much other than cap relief in a trade, maybe a 4th and a b grade prospect with us retaining 2 mil for him.
Oct 27 at 1:24
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
I agree with that, sharks wont get much other than cap relief in a trade, maybe a 4th and a b grade prospect with us retaining 2 mil for him.


Looks and sounds about right.
Oct 27 at 1:27
#17
Quaaludes
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Quoting: Phleb2
My guess is that Hertl's value is around a 1st round pick + A decent prospect or a grade A+ prospect + 2nd or 3rd round pick. This would be a little more than what the Habs paid for Dvorak.


Most sharks beat writers believe the sharks asking price for Hertl would be a 1st, a high end center prospect that is close to NHL ready. Though he's not on the block and allegedly never had been.
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Oct 27 at 1:35
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
this is a fun site for us to put things out and see how people react so bashing people shouldn't be done.
that being said the Wild don't do that unless sharks retain half, and the Hertl trade is a massive underpayment.
we should get more than what Arizona got for Dvorak.


You can retain half and the Wild still don't consider it
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Oct 27 at 1:46
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The Wild need righties & centers far more than left handed wingers so automatically you're off to a bad start.

Then you see the difference in cap hit. That's a complete no go

Then you see realize why Evander would be traded and it makes any argument you could make for this trade completely nonsensical. No one wants/will give up positive value for Evander Kane, period.

And that Hertl trade is just atrocious for San Jose. To put it simply, he's worth A LOT more than that
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Oct 27 at 1:51
#20
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Quoting: Phleb2
My guess is that Hertl's value is around a 1st round pick + A decent prospect or a grade A+ prospect + 2nd or 3rd round pick. This would be a little more than what the Habs paid for Dvorak.


Hertl is much better than Dvorak lol theyre not comparable.
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Oct 27 at 1:54
#21
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Quoting: gary_bettman
Hertl is much better than Dvorak lol theyre not comparable.


And Dvorak wasn't a rental
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Oct 27 at 2:15
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Quoting: Caerii
And Dvorak wasn't a rental


GMs lose their mind at the trade deadline and overpay if they think that's the piece that brings home a Cup, so to be fair I don't know how much term vs. rental has anything to do with what players can fetch in return. Also to be fair, Arizona had Bergevin where they wanted him because he was desperate to make a move so he could decide whether to match Carolina's OS or not. I really wonder if he would have matched it had he not been able to acquire a replacement at a comparable cost.
Oct 27 at 2:16
#23
Patient gm
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Kane….. might as well vomit on someone’s locker room. The culture overhaul the wild has gone through getting rid of staal, koivu, Parise and suter would be totally undone by getting kane. No team except a serious contender will give him a shot. And no front office with a young team will want him.
Oct 27 at 2:37
#24
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Wild politely decline
Oct 27 at 4:06
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