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Stutzle at RW

Created by: Alfie11
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 27, 2021
Published: Oct. 27, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators
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I’m fairly confident that if we get a top 12 pick, we will land the final piece of our forward corps in this draft. My favourite right now in terms of fit/upside/kinda realistic (i.e. not assuming we’ll win the lottery) is Kemell, I think he’d be absolutely dynamite alongside Stutzle, but literally anywhere in the top 12, there should be a top 6 C/RW available for us. Also I think Kemell may get the Guenther treatment, Guenther was imo the 3rd best prospect last year and he went 9th because he’s a winger. If we get lucky we might get Wright or Lambert, a little lower in the top 12 and Savoie, Geekie, McGroarty, Cooley, and Yurov are excellent options. Any one of those fits seamlessly into our long term top six imo (keep the Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson line together likely as line 2, and run either Stutzle-Pinto-Kemell/Yurov or Stutzle-any C-Pinto). Even if we got Nemec I wouldn’t hate it too much (Chabot-Zub / Sanderson-Nemec is two top pairs) although I would say it’s a mismanagement of assets to draft another D, even an elite RD like Nemec or Jiricek, with our 1st this year. Although I think they’ll get snapped up quickly anyway so the choice may not even be ours lol, everyone wants elite RD. The last top 12 relevant guys are LWers Miroshnichenko and Slafkovsky. Despite how much I’m starting to like Kemell, Slafkovsky is still my favourite prospect from this draft class and has been for a year at least at this point. I think he embodies everything the Sens have been drafting for recently as he’s huge with high end skill and good skating to match. Honestly sounds like a Slovakian Tkachuk.

But the point of this ACGM is, if we draft a top six LW, or even draft a top six centre and would prefer to keep Pinto at centre as well to run 3 good centres deep, do you guys think Stutzle could be moved to RW? There are plenty of high skill left shots that play RW in top 6 roles around the league (Kucherov, Rantanen, R. Smith, M. Tkachuk, Mangiapane to name a few, yes I know they’re not all in the same tier shut up) and I feel like Stutzle has the skill to be able to adapt to that side of the ice. If we got Slafkovsky or Miroshnichenko, do you think Stutzle could slide to RW? Or if we got a centre and bumped Pinto down to 3C, our LW depth is obviously much stronger than our RW depth, so do you think Stutzle could/should move to RW to allow Jarventie or Formenton into the top six at LW (I think both are slightly higher end prospects than Sharkolov/Boucher, and C. Brown is ideally on our 3rd line when we’re competitive)?

Lineup below is with Slafkovsky, alternate lines if we draft a C (look at this depth, that 3rd line is nasty and Greig at 4C is bonkers):
Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Jarventie-new C-Stutzle
Formenton-Pinto-C. Brown
Paul-Greig-Sharkolov
Free Agent Signings
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Slafkovsky, Juraj3$925,000
Sanderson, Jake3$925,000
Buyouts
  • Bobby Ryan: $3,583,333
  • Dion Phaneuf: $354,167
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
OTT
OTT
TBL
OTT
BOS
VAN
OTT
OTT
OTT
NYI
2023
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
NSH
2024
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$56,917,340$0$5,372,500$24,582,660
Left WingCenterRight Wing
OTT
Tkachuk, Brady
$8,330,674
LW, C
UFA - 7
OTT
Norris, Joshua
$925,000
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Batherson, Drake
$4,975,000
RW, C
UFA - 6
Slafkovsky, Juraj
$925,000
OTT
Pinto, Shane
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
OTT
Stützle, Tim
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
OTT
Formenton, Alex
$747,500
LW
RFA - 1
OTT
Greig, Ridly
$894,167
LW
RFA - 3
OTT
Brown, Connor
$3,600,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
OTT
Paul, Nicholas
$1,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
OTT
White, Colin
$4,750,000
RW, C
UFA - 4
OTT
Sokolov, Egor
$818,333
LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
OTT
Chabot, Thomas
$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 7
OTT
Zub, Artem
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
OTT
Gustavsson, Filip
$787,500
G
RFA - 2
Sanderson, Jake
$925,000
OTT
Thomson, Lassi
$863,333
RD
RFA - 3
OTT
Murray, Matt
$6,250,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Brännström, Erik
$863,333
RD
RFA - 1
OTT
Bernard-Docker, Jacob
$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
OTT
Mete, Victor
$1,200,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
OTT
Brown, Joshua
$1,200,000
RD
UFA - 1
OTT
Watson, Austin
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
OTT
Holden, Nick
$1,700,000
LD
UFA - 1
OTT
Del Zotto, Michael
$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
OTT
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Forsberg, Anton
$900,000
G
UFA - 1
OTT
Sabourin, Scott
$750,000
RW
UFA - 1
OTT
Sanford, Zachary
$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
OTT
Tierney, Chris
$3,500,000
C
UFA - 1
OTT
Shaw, Logan
$725,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
OTT
Gambrell, Dylan
$1,100,000
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Ennis, Tyler
$900,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1

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Oct. 27 at 1:51 p.m.
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Oct. 27 at 2:12 p.m.
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Watched this kid play for the first time the other day.... he flops quite a lot.. also has a terrible habit of looking at the refs when he thinks there should be a call. I assume he'll grow out of that but reminded me of Sid when he broke into the league
Oct. 27 at 2:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
csick Claesson4Norris sensonfire


I wouldn't mind trying out Stutzle at RW for a couple of shifts or even a game or two.


However, if the coaching staff doesn't like what they see, they reserve the right to put him back in the spot where he has spent his entire NHL career so far.


Which is the #2 LW spot behind Tkachuk.
Oct. 27 at 2:22 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
I wouldn't mind trying out Stutzle at RW for a couple of shifts or even a game or two.


However, if the coaching staff doesn't like what they see, they reserve the right to put him back in the spot where he has spent his entire NHL career so far.


Which is the #2 LW spot behind Tkachuk.

I think Stutzle’s skill ceiling is so high that within 1-2 years his line will be the first line regardless of who his linemates are, he won’t be a career 2LW. I was mostly just throwing this out there because apparently Ottawa doesn’t want him at C anymore and we have so much high end LW depth with very minimal options at RW (Sharkov and Boucher are our best and neither is a top 6 guarantee.
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Oct. 27 at 2:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
Watched this kid play for the first time the other day.... he flops quite a lot.. also has a terrible habit of looking at the refs when he thinks there should be a call. I assume he'll grow out of that but reminded me of Sid when he broke into the league


He draws so much penalties too. I think it’s at least 8-10 so far this year or maybe more
Oct. 27 at 2:32 p.m.
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I think Stützle looks so good on that left side that I really wouldn't want to do anything to mess with it. He's so confident with the puck, I don't think you want him trying to force things on the off side.

If you shift anyone over, I'd rather it be Tkachuk. Tkachuk's game changes a lot less playing his off side than Stützle's would, and it gives you the option of putting Timmy and Brady together, which we really haven't seen yet. I think Batherson is a guy who can drive a 2nd line going forward, especially as Pinto starts to settle in and his NHL game really develops.

Or maybe they could draft a guy like Kemell who is a dynamic player and a natural RW.
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Oct. 27 at 2:37 p.m.
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He draws so much penalties too. I think it’s at least 8-10 so far this year or maybe more


He really does. i think he's a great player he just needs to adjust slightly to how the NHL is... his skill is off the radar you can tell he going to be great
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Oct. 27 at 2:38 p.m.
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He really does. i think he's a great player he just needs to adjust slightly to how the NHL is... his skill is off the radar you can tell he going to be great


He was just not getting calls earlier so he started selling them a bit in order to get them
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Oct. 27 at 2:44 p.m.
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He was just not getting calls earlier so he started selling them a bit in order to get them

Learning from Brady lol
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Oct. 27 at 2:44 p.m.
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Learning from Brady lol


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Oct. 27 at 4:34 p.m.
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We don't really need a 2C though... Pinto and Norris are both top-6 centers. You could always upgrade one of them but I doubt it will happen

The only thing left to do at C would be to get an Elite 1st line center

There might not be any "need" left to fill, even though there's still a lot of question marks.

They should build a package around Brannstrom, pick(s) and a forward prospect to land a significant RW (and also get a good RD stop gap to buy time for JBD and Thomson)


Stutzle - Pinto - Batherson
Tkachuk - Norris - XXXXXXXX
Formenton - Paul - Brown
Crookshank - YYYYYYYY - YYYYYYYY

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson - JBD
Kleven - Thomson

Gustavsson / Sogaard


XXXXXXXX = Greig, Sokolov, Jarventie, Boucher, Ostapchuk, Daoust, Johansson

YYYYYYYY = Kelly, Kastelic, Latimer, Reinhardt (could even be one of the above like Boucher)

DDDDDDDD = Guenette, Roger

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My conclusion at the draft : aim for BPA, doesn't matter the position, don't draft for need
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