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A Better Raymond and Marner Trade In My Opinion

Created by: Roysboy72
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 1, 2021
Published: Nov. 1, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Detroit Red Wings
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Not perfect, but what I would value it at with a few additions to make it more realistic. Any thoughts or opinions?

Edit: I know Detroit would never do this, it’s just a reaction to some Raymond-Marner swaps that I’ve seen a couple times in the past week or so
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DET
  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. Dermott, Travis
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Raymond, Lucas
  2. Erne, Adam
  3. DeKeyser, Danny
Buyouts
  • Frans Nielsen: $4,250,000
  • Justin Abdelkader: $2,305,556
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Nick Leddy: $2,750,000 (50%)
  • Richard Pánik: $1,375,000 (50%)
  • Vladislav Namestnikov: $1,000,000 (50%)
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$74,307,723$0$2,018,750$7,192,277
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Bertuzzi, Tyler
$4,750,000
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Larkin, Dylan
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C
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Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
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Fabbri, Robby
$2,950,000
LW, C
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Veleno, Joseph
$894,167
C
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Zadina, Filip
$894,167
RW, LW
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Suter, Pius
$3,250,000
C, LW
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Rasmussen, Michael
$1,460,000
C, LW
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Namestnikov, Vladislav
$1,000,000
RW, LW, C
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Smith, Givani
$750,000
LW
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Stephens, Mitchell
$737,500
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Gagner, Sam
$850,000
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Leddy, Nick
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Greiss, Thomas
$3,600,000
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Dermott, Travis
$1,500,000
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Hronek, Filip
$4,400,000
RD
RFA - 3
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Nedeljkovic, Alex
$3,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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Staal, Marc
$2,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
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Lindström, Gustav
$850,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Stecher, Troy
$1,700,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Vrána, Jakub
$5,250,000
LW
UFA - 3
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Oesterle, Jordan
$1,350,000
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Rowney, Carter
$825,000
C, RW
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:08 a.m.
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That would be a bad trade for Detroit
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:09 a.m.
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Why would Detroit do this? Marner is grossly overpaid and the guy sucks in the playoffs. No freaking way am i dealing Raymond for Marner. I bet when all is said and done Raymond will have a better career then Marner.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:09 a.m.
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Leafs decline.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:12 a.m.
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Quoting: BigDaddyOvech
Leafs decline.


Leafs take this and run. Offloading $10 mil and replacing with a guy four years younger on an ELC whose production is already fantastic is a no brainer.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:13 a.m.
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Quoting: MauriceRichard1028
Leafs take this and run. Offloading $10 mil and replacing with a guy four years younger on an ELC whose production is already fantastic is a no brainer.


9 game sample size is not a no brainer. Marner currently >>>>>>>>>>> Raymond. Leafs aren't trading low on Marner for potential. They're in win now.
It's cool, Wings fans should be excited about Raymond, he looks good now and should have a promising career ahead. Nothing is guaranteed in this league and Dubas would be a moron to accept this trade.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:14 a.m.
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That would be a bad trade for Detroit

Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Why would Detroit do this? Marner is grossly overpaid and the guy sucks in the playoffs. No freaking way am i dealing Raymond for Marner. I bet when all is said and done Raymond will have a better career then Marner.

All true, I made the value lean towards Toronto in hopes Leafs fans would see it as fair and concede some ground so they’d stop asking for a one-for-one or with picks added with Raymond in these trade proposals, but evidently:

Quoting: BigDaddyOvech
Leafs decline.

That approach hasn’t worked.
Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:14 a.m.
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A recent DET draft pick has 9 points in 9 games and they would be interested in trading him why...? ELC, will be an RFA, 19 years old, and showing a lot of potential.

DET just needs to keep doing what they're doing -- they have great prospects and they're developing them well. In 2 years, watch out.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:14 a.m.
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Quoting: BigDaddyOvech
9 game sample size is not a no brainer. Marner currently >>>>>>>>>>> Raymond. Leafs aren't trading low on Marner for potential. They're in win now.
It's cool, Wings fans should be excited about Raymond, he looks good now and should have a promising career ahead. Nothing is guaranteed in this league and Dubas would be a moron to accept this trade.


True, they do have to win now if they are ever going to. I just thought this would help them with their super tight cap crunch, and I do think Raymond will be a Marner type player, but you're right it's not the best move right now.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:16 a.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Why would Detroit do this? Marner is grossly overpaid and the guy sucks in the playoffs. No freaking way am i dealing Raymond for Marner. I bet when all is said and done Raymond will have a better career then Marner.


Bold statement for a guy who has played 9 games.
Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:16 a.m.
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Quoting: villenash
A recent DET draft pick has 9 points in 9 games and they would be interested in trading him why...? ELC, will be an RFA, 19 years old, and showing a lot of potential.

DET just needs to keep doing what they're doing -- they have great prospects and they're developing them well. In 2 years, watch out.

Not interested in trading him, just a reaction to a few Raymond-Marner trade proposals I’ve seen in the past week.
Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:18 a.m.
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WHY?

Unless Toronto retains $4m+, I wouldn’t consider from Detroit end.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:19 a.m.
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Quoting: BigDaddyOvech
Leafs decline.


Leafs would 100% take that offer, And saying that Marner is 11 times better then Raymond is totally ludicrous.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:20 a.m.
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Bold statement for a guy who has played 9 games.


Yeah 9 games and totally gets better each and every single game.
Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:21 a.m.
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Quoting: Roysboy72
All true, I made the value lean towards Toronto in hopes Leafs fans would see it as fair and concede some ground so they’d stop asking for a one-for-one or with picks added with Raymond in these trade proposals, but evidently:


That approach hasn’t worked.


Gotcha - Marner and Raymond have similarities in their games. Raymond’s shot is much better and he’ll be a better line driver than Marner. Marner will be the better playmaker. Then when you take into consideration Marners contract and where Detroit is in their rebuild, it just makes 0 sense for them.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:22 a.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Leafs would 100% take that offer, And saying that Marner is 11 times better then Raymond is totally ludicrous.


No chance Leafs ever accept this offer.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:26 a.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Leafs would 100% take that offer, And saying that Marner is 11 times better then Raymond is totally ludicrous.


No, The Leafs wouldn't 100% take this offer.

At this moment, Mitch is the best player in this deal, and this deal proposes that the Leafs add a young D AND a second for Erne and an expiring UFA? It doesn't make sense.

Not one person here said Mitch is 11 times better than Raymond.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:27 a.m.
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Leafs easily say no
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Leafs would 100% take that offer, And saying that Marner is 11 times better then Raymond is totally ludicrous.


Nope, wrong. Leafs wouldn't take a guy with a 9 game sample size. Leafs easily reject
Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:30 a.m.
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No, The Leafs wouldn't 100% take this offer.

At this moment, Mitch is the best player in this deal, and this deal proposes that the Leafs add a young D AND a second for Erne and an expiring UFA? It doesn't make sense.

Not one person here said Mitch is 11 times better than Raymond.


Wrong BigDaddyOvech said Marner >>>>>>>>>>> Raymond Which is ludicrous Raymond is already on pace to beat Marners 61 point season 1st year. And that's on a far worse Detroit club.
Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:33 a.m.
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Detroit is rebuilding. They would not do this
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:35 a.m.
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No idea why Detroit would do this.
Nov. 1, 2021 at 11:58 a.m.
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Raymond has looked very good to me and I think he will be better than Marner down the road. Marner is great, but he’s not worth the contract. At this point I’m keeping Raymond and betting on his future.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 12:02 p.m.
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Trading a guy whose doing well on his ELC isn't a good idea.
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Nov. 1, 2021 at 12:05 p.m.
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Quoting: BigDaddyOvech
9 game sample size is not a no brainer. Marner currently >>>>>>>>>>> Raymond. Leafs aren't trading low on Marner for potential. They're in win now.
It's cool, Wings fans should be excited about Raymond, he looks good now and should have a promising career ahead. Nothing is guaranteed in this league and Dubas would be a moron to accept this trade.


Yes, they are in win now mode. Except, don’t you actually have to win to be in win now mode?
Nov. 1, 2021 at 12:07 p.m.
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Yes, they are in win now mode. Except, don’t you actually have to win to be in win now mode?


Raymond is like 10 games into his NHL career and trading for him would put him in a position that's untenable. Detroit's doesn't have the same pressure to succeed that Toronto does right now, and putting him in the top 6 of the team that's looking to the win the cup seems like a.....terrible idea? Great way to absolutely blow out his confidence.
 
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