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Spezza needs more minutes and Leafs third line is bad

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I'm not sold on Engvall - Kampf - Kase
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Nov. 3, 2021 at 8:55 a.m.
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What about that line don't you like?

Aside from the early slump, which every Leaf player went through, they have been pretty solid. Even Engvall, who I have been cursing for a while now, has elevated his play.

Right now it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Nov. 3, 2021 at 8:58 a.m.
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I actually don't mind the 3rd line, Engvall is definitely the weakest link there but I like Kampf and Kase in their roles.

4th line is decent, good for a bang and crash line but I'm not sold that Spezza would benefit from more minutes at his age, he's playing on the power play and a 4th line that is rode quite a bit, too many minutes might be too much for him
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Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:04 a.m.
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They are literally one of the best CHECKING LINES in the NHL right now. They get almost all of the dzone starts. Like, what's not to like.
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Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:07 a.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
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They are literally one of the best CHECKING LINES in the NHL right now. They get almost all of the dzone starts. Like, what's not to like.


Imagine a world where Pierre Engvall is on one of the best defensive lines in hockey
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Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:11 a.m.
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So many Leafs fans think because their lowly paid bottom enders aren't up to the top enders playing standards, the "Engvalls" on the team are crap, and should be traded for supposedly the game breaking bottom enders on other teams. Really, I think so many don't have a clue how rosters are constructed.
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Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:12 a.m.
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I actually don't mind the 3rd line, Engvall is definitely the weakest link there but I like Kampf and Kase in their roles.

4th line is decent, good for a bang and crash line but I'm not sold that Spezza would benefit from more minutes at his age, he's playing on the power play and a 4th line that is rode quite a bit, too many minutes might be too much for him


It's a good defensive line, don't get me wrong, but not a line that scares or is a huge threat to other teams
Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:13 a.m.
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So many Leafs fans think because their lowly paid bottom enders aren't up to the top enders playing standards, the "Engvalls" on the team are crap, and should be traded for supposedly the game breaking bottom enders on other teams. Really, I think so many don't have a clue how rosters are constructed.


I look at the Canes third line and the Leafs third line and see a massive hole on the Leafs bottom 6. Remember when we had Johnsson, Kapanen, and Kadri on the third line, good times
Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:17 a.m.
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So many Leafs fans think because their lowly paid bottom enders aren't up to the top enders playing standards, the "Engvalls" on the team are crap, and should be traded for supposedly the game breaking bottom enders on other teams. Really, I think so many don't have a clue how rosters are constructed.


I don't think its leaf fans thinking their players are crap I think it stems from the cap crunch, If you're up to the cap and the 3rd and 4th liners are playing at a league minimum level but getting paid like 1.5 mill or 2 mill that's where fans start to get annoyed because the money could of been better spent. At the end of the day if the stars perform your could have 6 Engvalls in your bottom 6 and it wouldn't matter.
Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:22 a.m.
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I look at the Canes third line and the Leafs third line and see a massive hole on the Leafs bottom 6. Remember when we had Johnsson, Kapanen, and Kadri on the third line, good times


Teams that have playoff success have similar built 3rd line/defensive 3rd lines. Carolina is great an all but their top players were shutdown by the Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow line.

Toronto wants to build a line similar to that. If anything when Mikheyev comes back they’ll see what they have in him but don’t be surprise if one or both of em are packaged to make an elite checking line
Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:25 a.m.
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I don't think its leaf fans thinking their players are crap I think it stems from the cap crunch, If you're up to the cap and the 3rd and 4th liners are playing at a league minimum level but getting paid like 1.5 mill or 2 mill that's where fans start to get annoyed because the money could of been better spent. At the end of the day if the stars perform your could have 6 Engvalls in your bottom 6 and it wouldn't matter.


Look at it this way. No one is replacing Matthews production or Tavares' production if they get hurt, but you need someone to fill their spot. Who is capable of being productive from the third line? Will Pierre Engvall be that temporary replacement? Lets say the Leafs still had Kadri and Tavares went down, he would easily be a guy that can fill Tavares' role. There is a reason why it's good to have depth in the top 9 and not NHL rejects that no team would dare to bring to their team. I don't know if I'm being too harsh but the Leafs third line wouldn't even be on the Canes fourth line
Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:27 a.m.
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Teams that have playoff success have similar built 3rd line/defensive 3rd lines. Carolina is great an all but their top players were shutdown by the Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow line.

Toronto wants to build a line similar to that. If anything when Mikheyev comes back they’ll see what they have in him but don’t be surprise if one or both of em are packaged to make an elite checking line


All I'm saying is that come playoff time, we better play the top 6 25 minutes a night
Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:37 a.m.
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Your takes are just so bad.

So, so bad.

You are so close to the ignore list.
Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:38 a.m.
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tell me you know nothing about hockey without telling me you know nothing about hockey
Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:39 a.m.
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All I'm saying is that come playoff time, we better play the top 6 25 minutes a night


I think we have it. With the way Kerfoot and Bunting is playing I think that really solid. I would add maybe another RHD. I’d package Holl+ more at the deadline for a shutdown RHD to play with Rielly. With a move like that now you have:

Rielly-Top RHD
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin-Liljgren/Dermott

A far better defence to complement the forwards.
Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:40 a.m.
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Look at it this way. No one is replacing Matthews production or Tavares' production if they get hurt, but you need someone to fill their spot. Who is capable of being productive from the third line? Will Pierre Engvall be that temporary replacement? Lets say the Leafs still had Kadri and Tavares went down, he would easily be a guy that can fill Tavares' role. There is a reason why it's good to have depth in the top 9 and not NHL rejects that no team would dare to bring to their team. I don't know if I'm being too harsh but the Leafs third line wouldn't even be on the Canes fourth line


We have multiple players who can step into different roles. Don’t forget Kerfoot plays centre. Marner has his touch back and he can drive a line himself. Plus you have Ho-sang, Robertson and etc in the minors.
Nov. 3, 2021 at 9:42 a.m.
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We have multiple players who can step into different roles. Don’t forget Kerfoot plays centre. Marner has his touch back and he can drive a line himself. Plus you have Ho-sang, Robertson and etc in the minors.


No thanks to Ho Sang
Nov. 3, 2021 at 1:07 p.m.
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So many Leafs fans think because their lowly paid bottom enders aren't up to the top enders playing standards, the "Engvalls" on the team are crap, and should be traded for supposedly the game breaking bottom enders on other teams. Really, I think so many don't have a clue how rosters are constructed.


Do you believe the Leafs Roster is constructed well?
Nov. 3, 2021 at 1:10 p.m.
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Teams that have playoff success have similar built 3rd line/defensive 3rd lines. Carolina is great an all but their top players were shutdown by the Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow line.

Toronto wants to build a line similar to that. If anything when Mikheyev comes back they’ll see what they have in him but don’t be surprise if one or both of em are packaged to make an elite checking line


Coleman-Gourde- Goodrow actually scored goals you know. They could do both
14 - 17- 6 were their goal totals in 56 games last season.
Do you think Engavll-Kampf-Kase will be close to that?
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Nov. 3, 2021 at 1:36 p.m.
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Do you believe the Leafs Roster is constructed well?


I do, besides that third line. Could be a lot better
Nov. 3, 2021 at 2:11 p.m.
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I look at the Canes third line and the Leafs third line and see a massive hole on the Leafs bottom 6. Remember when we had Johnsson, Kapanen, and Kadri on the third line, good times


You make a good point. But at the time the Leafs had some cap flexibility cause some of their better players...Matthews/Marner/Nylander were still on the cheap ELCs.
So, the Leafs are going to need their "bottom enders" play above their cap $$$ to be successful. But the point I was making is that so many Leaf fans think they guys like Crouse or Manson are so much better than the current Leafs. They aren't. And good teams, like Carolina, aren't trading their cheap but good players because the plan on making a Cup challenge with the structure of the team they have in place.
Nov. 3, 2021 at 2:19 p.m.
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All I'm saying is that come playoff time, we better play the top 6 25 minutes a night


Well Marner and Matthews weren't good in the playoffs last season. It was Kerfoot and Nylander that carried the offensive load.
Nov. 3, 2021 at 2:58 p.m.
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Well Marner and Matthews weren't good in the playoffs last season. It was Kerfoot and Nylander that carried the offensive load.


Which is why I'm saying that it's important for them to play 25 minutes a night since the top 6 are the only lines that can put up points
Nov. 3, 2021 at 4:46 p.m.
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Coleman-Gourde- Goodrow actually scored goals you know. They could do both
14 - 17- 6 were their goal totals in 56 games last season.
Do you think Engavll-Kampf-Kase will be close to that?


They won’t be close but they’re creating scoring chances and getting offensive zone face offs. If they can do that again it frees up the top lines.
 
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