Who are you calling "you people"?!?!

lol, no one in particular. just drives me crazy

You want the Kings to retain $4M to send their division rival a bargain $2M sniper? I mean... no.

Thats because most of ppl here dont understand nuance and are HS'rs.

Trading is never about value. Its a negotiation not mathematics unless you are dealing with the cap hits, themselves. Trading is about timing and leverage.

I swear most ppl here would starve to death if they became stranded in the woods. Because they have no life experience when it comes to real value

"No i wont trade you my rolex watch for an apple, i rather starve!" -Capfriendly user

well said.

I mean this is pretty much what I thought he'd go for. If anything the packages I offered for Eichel were more than this lol. Risto is an enigma, there are still hockey men that see a big right shot D and say gimme regardless of what the numbers or even the eye test say (same deal with Jones), but that's just old people with outdated thinking making poor decisions, not people undervaluing a player.

Are you saying Sabres W or L for context

Why trade a rolex for an apple when you could kill a deer, food for a month and shelter

Context is important, too.

We talking apple watch, or like a mac pro?

Fans can only make "educated guesses" of what's going to happen, as they're no professionals. In the end everything we do here is subjective and based on opinions, and for a fan a player's value is their subjective feeling of how much should the asset get back based on their own evaluation, other background info like statistics and comparables of the past, as well as the consensus opinion given by other people. That's the whole point of fans discussing about trades.

My point is that if one posts a trade that the consensus opinion calls idiotic and unrealistic, then in this context it's probably just that. It doesn't mean it couldn't happen, but if it does there's not much sense behind it. And this is why there's almost never a trade of which the fans of both participants can consider fair.

If you don't want to hear your trade idea being "way off" or "unrealistic", you're probably in the wrong place, because when things are subjective there's always going to be opinions who think this way.

This! The fact that the trade came basically in the middle of what a lot of the proposals here had it for actually says a lot. Risto? Well...sometimes you can't cure old school gm stupidity

We love assigning L’s and W’s, it’s quite the fun ordeal. The reason there’s not much nuance or negotiation with deals on this site is because:

1. We aren’t real GMs. Sure, it’s fun to act like one, but at the end of the day it’s called “Armchair GM” for a reason.
2. Do you think people on the internet would not just have an opinion, but also accept the opposing opinions of others? A difficult task.
3. You’re right, we’re stupid compared to real GMs. At the end of the day though, we can say “We told you so!” when a trade goes awry and ignore the ones we get wrong. Remember, there aren’t any stakes here.

I was actually closer to the value Vegas got several times. I had posted a ton of proposals that I said were max I would pay for Eichel. See thread below for a comparable offer that was laughed at.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/501404

Hey, enough with the logic. We don't do that here.

To be fair I wouldn't even call us stupid compared to real GMs considering how often we see a GM fleecing another. Pretty much every fan here saw that the Jones trade for example was a mistake of epic proportions and well for now it seems the fans were exactly right on that.

Sabres shot themselves in the foot. If they retain 2-3/ur that opens up the market and drives up price. When the only two teams willing to pay up don’t really have an a plus prospect this is what you get as teams looking to win won’t give up a top roster player like tkachuk or Theodore

well a lot of deals on here were like this and got lit up. I like the deal for Buffalo tho, tough to get a lot more than this with the current situation. It'll be even better if they trade Tuch for even more assets. That first being protected is tough tho

Then why debate anything on here, CapFriendly should just shutdown the ACGM section.

Tuch is only 25 and something the Sabres have nothing comparable, theyll keep him and he seems excited to join them, hes from Syracuse which is only 2.5 hours away. I also didnt think vegas would miss the playoffs so never anticipated a top 16 pick let alone top 10

i agree, it is all subjective. it's just wild to me seeing how defensive people on here get about trades that they know nothing about. on almost every AGM, you'll see someone getting **** on for something dumb like a depth player for a 3rd.

Same. I offered much more and was told it was idiotic, by most. There are such things as constructive criticism which is, sadly, rarely found here. Its mostly, lazy tribal behaviour from a lot of sad ppl on the internet that need affirmation more so than a community. This place is ok in small doses but to try and actually have a well thought out discussion, extremely uncommon

right, I don't see that pick that's anywhere near 15, but to have the option open with all the injuries they have right now would be nice

and that right there is my problem. this site is still fun for me, sometimes the banter can be entertaining, but constructive criticism and why a trade isn't good is preferred over just people talking **** with no basis

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Unless you were talking about another trade, thats not more and a considerably worse trade for Buffalo. Your other Vegas ACGM nearly hit the nail on the head though

I feel like, ignoring the hilarious "nose in the air" "holier than thou" snarky comments, you're really contradicting yourself here.

Value is affected BY timing and leverage. It doesn't just not exist.