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Does it even make sense to blow it up

Created by: mvp13
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 5, 2021
Published: Nov. 5, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
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First and foremost, I think the best option right now is to just wait until you're healthy before you do anything. Not blaming anything on Jake Allen right now, but just having Price around the team could be a huge lockerroom boost for the guys, and hopefully get them to do anything.

If you still suck when you're healthy, yeah I know he was just signed, but dumping Ducharme is a lot easier and sensible than trying to get rid of some of these contracts. It's not like it hasn't happened before, Reirden was fired fairly quickly under WSH, and that was after they let Trotz walk in favor of signing him haha... I think Burgervan has been a fine GM and I'd personally extend him, but letting him go early could be your next best option. I don't really know what difference that would make, though. I'm not sure there's a GM in the league that cares more about their players than Burgervan

But let's say all that happens and you still are getting blown out nearly every game... how do you blow this team up? A lot of these contracts are immovable to me in today's NHL cap situation. While I love Gallagher, he's going to be 30 in May and making 6.5million for another 5 years... his production has been going down, and the way he plays will only impact him more in the future. I think it'd be really tough to find someone to want to take on this contract, that also brings enough futures to you to have it make sense. I guess the argument MTL could have is that they've been playing him on the 3rd line which is impacting his production... but if I'm a different team, I wonder how it's even possible to put him on the 3rd line in the first place... plus, he has a M-NTC, so...

Let me know what ya'll think of the value on these trades

Longterm outlook: This team will have 15 contracts signed next year with 12.9million in space to sign Villardi, Romanov, and free agents.
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Komarov, Leo
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (COL)
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
The extra 3rd is for taking Komarov. If NYI can work the cap differently to not need to shed Komarov, then it's Chiarot for a 2nd. But right now I believe they'll need to do this.
NYI
  1. Chiarot, Ben
2.
MTL
  1. Francouz, Pavel
  2. Murray, Ryan
  3. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
  4. 2022 3rd round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
This loads COL up for the playoffs this year, and gives them long term assurance on the 2nd line wing. For next year, both Burakosky and Kadri are up for contract, so they choose to keep one or the other (with Newhook or Jost playing 2C in Kadri's place, if necessary). Francouz and Murray - two expiring UFA contracts - come back to MTL for cap compliancy this year, provided COL is healthy at the time of trade. If COL doesn't need to shed these contracts, remove both and the 3rd round pick. MTL might not want to do this trade since there is no 2022 1st round pick, but I thought they could be an interesting suitor nonetheless.
COL
  1. Toffoli, Tyler
3.
MTL
  1. 2022 5th round pick (ANA)
Any team that could use a cheap depth defensive option for the playoffs.
ANA
  1. Kulak, Brett
4.
MTL
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (ANA)
Any team that could use a cheap defensive option for the playoffs (if he is included in the COL trade).
ANA
  1. Murray, Ryan
5.
MTL
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (ARI)
Any team that could use a backup goalie for the playoffs (if he is included in the COL trade).
ARI
  1. Francouz, Pavel
6.
MTL
  1. Vilardi, Gabriel
Additional Details:
A team flush with centers but somewhat light on wingers gets a scoring power play specialist on a long term contract.
LAK
  1. Hoffman, Mike
  2. Lehkonen, Artturi
Additional Details:
Add additional picks/prospects on either side to even it out if necessary.
7.
MTL
  1. Zucker, Jason
  2. 2022 1st round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
PIT sheds a contract they've been trying to get rid of for a while, in return for a hard working winger that can play anywhere in the lineup. I don't think Armia is worth a 1st rounder on his own, but for the "cap dump", or "cap swap", I think it adds up. They get a 3rd back to try to even it out.
PIT
  1. Armia, Joel
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (CAR)
Buyouts
  • Karl Alzner: $1,958,333
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
CAR
PIT
MTL
COL
MTL
ANA
NYI
COL
ARI
MTL
TBL
MTL
ANA
MTL
MTL
STL
2023
MTL
COL
MTL
MTL
ANA
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
2024
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$69,950,894$597,561$2,325,000$11,549,106
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
$863,333
C, RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Caufield, Cole
$880,833
RW, LW
RFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$6,500,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Dvorak, Christian
$4,450,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
MTL
Anderson, Josh
$5,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
LAK
Vilardi, Gabriel
$894,167
C
RFA - 1
PIT
Zucker, Jason
$5,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Pezzetta, Michael
$750,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
MTL
Evans, Jake
$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 2
MTL
Perreault, Mathieu
$950,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
MTL
Paquette, Cédric
$950,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
MTL
Edmundson, Joel
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$6,250,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 5
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
$894,167
LD
RFA - 1
MTL
Savard, David
$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
MTL
Allen, Jake
$2,875,000
G
UFA - 2
MTL
Niku, Sami
$750,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
MTL
Wideman, Chris
$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
MTL
Ouellet, Xavier
$737,500
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 5

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Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:28 a.m.
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Isles don’t need to dump any contracts, with the Boychuck trade they can add around 10m at the trade deadline with their cap space accruing until then.
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Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:32 a.m.
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Most of these trades are very heavily skewed in Montreal's favor.

For example, the Kings aren't trading one of their best center prospects for a 31 year old winger and a guy every Montreal ACGM has been trying to drop for the past 8 months. I know you said "add picks/prospects to whichever side necessary" but there isn't a feasible solution there that any Montreal fan would like. You would need to use the same reasoning you use in the Armia trade that brings you guys a 1st round pick to justify that Kings trade.
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Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:32 a.m.
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Hextall is NOT trading this year's 1st, and certainly not for so little in return.
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Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:34 a.m.
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Absolutely it does

MTL is san Jose east

Huge amounts of $ towards aging players

and

A limited prospect core that'll peak 2023+

They should be selling off basically everyone

Then building around Caufield Eklund
Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:34 a.m.
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Quoting: Warrior24
Isles don’t need to dump any contracts, with the Boychuck trade they can add around 10m at the trade deadline with their cap space accruing until then.


To be fair even with the Boychuk contract they should
Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:36 a.m.
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The trades are pretty coherent but yeah Vilardi

I mean he could take a couturier like trajectory

Hoffman lehky a nice package but he's too good
Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:36 a.m.
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Quoting: PuckLuck_77
Most of these trades are very heavily skewed in Montreal's favor.

For example, the Kings aren't trading one of their best center prospects for a 31 year old winger and a guy every Montreal ACGM has been trying to drop for the past 8 months. I know you said "add picks/prospects to whichever side necessary" but there isn't a feasible solution there that any Montreal fan would like. You would need to use the same reasoning you use in the Armia trade that brings you guys a 1st round pick to justify that Kings trade.


The way I see it is, LAK still has Turcotte and Byfield slumming around... that's 5 high quality centers on one team, where you'd arguably only want 3 of them playing center at one time. Makes sense for them to trade someone, no? I know centers can play also play wing of course, but still. Villardi is up for contract while the other 4 have contracts for the next 3+ years. I feel like he should be the "odd man out", if it means you can acquire two relatively solid wingers. Is there a contract LAK is trying to get rid of that MTL can take back to even it out? I'd suggest Matta or something, but he's up this year anyway.
Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:41 a.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
Hextall is NOT trading this year's 1st, and certainly not for so little in return.


Hah, will he finally break the PIT GM curse? I feel like you're paying for a better player swap on a lower price long term contract amount. You're gonna have to pay to get rid of Zucker, anyway. If they still want to do it. I don't know if they'd be willing to do a higher tier prospect instead.
Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:43 a.m.
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I have to ask, did you type "Burgervan" over and over again on purpose? I got a laugh out of it.
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Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:43 a.m.
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that avs trade makes 0 sense and a massive overpayment for Toffoli
Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:43 a.m.
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Quoting: mvp13
Hah, will he finally break the PIT GM curse? I feel like you're paying for a better player swap on a lower price long term contract amount. You're gonna have to pay to get rid of Zucker, anyway. If they still want to do it. I don't know if they'd be willing to do a higher tier prospect instead.


He's not doing it. He's said so multiple times. And anyway, Armia's contract is no less troubling. Small short term gain for pain later.
Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:44 a.m.
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I think you're cruising along the semi-reasonable path, where there could be an argument for either side until you hit the LA/Pens trades.

Vilardi certainly hasn't set the world on fire, but I find it hard to imagine that the Kings would have any interest in moving a young/cheap asset for a guy that they could have just signed as a UFA, and "meh"konen. It's also worth noting that the Kings taking on around $7ish mil (assuming Lehkonen is tendered a contract) for next season, would be right around $14 mil in cap space, with guys like Brown, AA, Kempe, Tkachev, Lemieux, etc, plus 50% of their D-core needing new contracts or to be replaced.

With the Pens trade-I am definitely with the "Zucker is a cap dump" crew, but Armia's contract isn't that much better...I get that he's an energy guy, but giving up a 1st makes zero sense in this situation.
Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.
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Quoting: Ritzy
I have to ask, did you type "Burgervan" over and over again on purpose? I got a laugh out of it.


lmao, Yes. I got frustrated misspelling everyone's name so now I type how it's kind of pronounced. Like Drysaddle instead of Draisaitl or whatever. But it's getting tough now that Drysdale is in the league... mass confusion everywhere haha
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Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.
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Quoting: mvp13
The way I see it is, LAK still has Turcotte and Byfield slumming around... that's 5 high quality centers on one team, where you'd arguably only want 3 of them playing center at one time. Makes sense for them to trade someone, no? I know centers can play also play wing of course, but still. Villardi is up for contract while the other 4 have contracts for the next 3+ years. I feel like he should be the "odd man out", if it means you can acquire two relatively solid wingers. Is there a contract LAK is trying to get rid of that MTL can take back to even it out? I'd suggest Matta or something, but he's up this year anyway.


I feel like the answer is to just throw one of their good young guys on the wing though, right? Like, financially it doesn't really work for LA anyway, but realistically there's going to be a couple of these guys that don't actually pan out up the middle, and will end up on the win anyway.

Or, use one of them in a package for a young winger.
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Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:49 a.m.
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Quoting: coga16
that avs trade makes 0 sense and a massive overpayment for Toffoli


You think so? It's essentially a 1st for Toffoli long term. The rest is included as a cap dump if COL needs to clear space for it to work this year. I don't know how that's a massive overpayment... what do you think Toffoli is worth?
Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:49 a.m.
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Quoting: mvp13
The way I see it is, LAK still has Turcotte and Byfield slumming around... that's 5 high quality centers on one team, where you'd arguably only want 3 of them playing center at one time. Makes sense for them to trade someone, no? I know centers can play also play wing of course, but still. Villardi is up for contract while the other 4 have contracts for the next 3+ years. I feel like he should be the "odd man out", if it means you can acquire two relatively solid wingers. Is there a contract LAK is trying to get rid of that MTL can take back to even it out? I'd suggest Matta or something, but he's up this year anyway.


This is a common argument on capfriendly about the Kings. "You have 3 center prospects, there is no way you can hope to keep all three". The point of having these three is to have them compete to see who is best, boost the value of all three and sell the weakest of the group for the highest return. The Kings also have the flexibility to play Vilardi and Turcotte on wing, as they have done with Athanasiou and Andersson successfully. Jeff Carter played both wing and center for the Kings at long stretches, it is not inconceivable to have center prospects play wing.
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Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:50 a.m.
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Quoting: Radu47
To be fair even with the Boychuk contract they should


Why? They don't need to
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Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:51 a.m.
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Quoting: mvp13
The way I see it is, LAK still has Turcotte and Byfield slumming around... that's 5 high quality centers on one team, where you'd arguably only want 3 of them playing center at one time. Makes sense for them to trade someone, no? I know centers can play also play wing of course, but still. Villardi is up for contract while the other 4 have contracts for the next 3+ years. I feel like he should be the "odd man out", if it means you can acquire two relatively solid wingers. Is there a contract LAK is trying to get rid of that MTL can take back to even it out? I'd suggest Matta or something, but he's up this year anyway.


There will be a trade eventually, sure. That does not mean it will be cheap for a team acquiring whichever center the Kings deem as an odd man out.

What everyone has to get through their head is that's a position of strength in trading, not a position that forces us to sell him low. We don't need to trade our centers. We can push Gabe to the right wing, Turcotte can be played on the left, Kupari can play right, etc etc. If a team wants a center, they'll need to pay up for him otherwise we're more than happy to find a place elsewhere on the roster for them.

As far as this trade, like I said there's nothing you'll like to give up. Looking at the money going in/out
MTL: -$5.9million in cap hit
LA: +$5.9million in cap hit

Next, looking at the age/contract status:
MTL: Vilardi -- 21, ELC this year, RFA
LA: Hoffman -- 31, 4.5mil for 2 more years after this one, UFA
Lehkonen -- 26, 2.3mil this year, RFA

The cap space Montreal gets is worth a 1st alone, looking at all the cap dumps that have happened. Vilardi himself is worth a 1st+, and to me a 31 year old declining winger on a 3 year deal doesn't bring value to a team that is rebuilding. I just don't see any way at all a trade works out without multiple picks going LA's way (at least one of them a 1st round), or a guy like Romanov. Like I said, nothing that Montreal wants to give up.

And finally, the Kings don't have cap space problems. They need Maatta for depth for the next few months with the injuries to Doughty and Walker, so there's nothing really that Montreal could take from LA to even out the trade.
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Nov. 5, 2021 at 11:53 a.m.
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Quoting: mvp13
You think so? It's essentially a 1st for Toffoli long term. The rest is included as a cap dump if COL needs to clear space for it to work this year. I don't know how that's a massive overpayment... what do you think Toffoli is worth?


A 1st, 3rd, and 2 roster players that the avs need as part of their cup depth is an Over payment, They burn assets and create 2 big holes in their line ups. I dont see the net positive here
A 1st and a mid level prospect at the most is his value.

Dvorak as a C cost a 1st and a 3rd. Tofolli isnt getting more back than Dvorak
Nov. 5, 2021 at 12:13 p.m.
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Quoting: PuckLuck_77
There will be a trade eventually, sure. That does not mean it will be cheap for a team acquiring whichever center the Kings deem as an odd man out.

What everyone has to get through their head is that's a position of strength in trading, not a position that forces us to sell him low. We don't need to trade our centers. We can push Gabe to the right wing, Turcotte can be played on the left, Kupari can play right, etc etc. If a team wants a center, they'll need to pay up for him otherwise we're more than happy to find a place elsewhere on the roster for them.

As far as this trade, like I said there's nothing you'll like to give up. Looking at the money going in/out
MTL: -$5.9million in cap hit
LA: +$5.9million in cap hit

Next, looking at the age/contract status:
MTL: Vilardi -- 21, ELC this year, RFA
LA: Hoffman -- 31, 4.5mil for 2 more years after this one, UFA
Lehkonen -- 26, 2.3mil this year, RFA

The cap space Montreal gets is worth a 1st alone, looking at all the cap dumps that have happened. Vilardi himself is worth a 1st+, and to me a 31 year old declining winger on a 3 year deal doesn't bring value to a team that is rebuilding. I just don't see any way at all a trade works out without multiple picks going LA's way (at least one of them a 1st round), or a guy like Romanov. Like I said, nothing that Montreal wants to give up.

And finally, the Kings don't have cap space problems. They need Maatta for depth for the next few months with the injuries to Doughty and Walker, so there's nothing really that Montreal could take from LA to even out the trade.


You know, with Norlinder and Guhle coming up, perhaps MTL wouldn't mind giving up Romanov if it could mean getting Villardi. I don't think they would want to give up any 1st or 2nd round picks like you said. But Romanov could potentially be an option. I know Hoffman is definitely aging, but with their signings this year (Arvidson, Danault) it seems LAK want to win sooner rather than later. Hoffman fills an immediate need, I think.

I normally try not to do many trades in my armchair GM teams because it's so hard to understand everyone's prospect pool, team needs, cap situations, etc. So, thanks for explaining. While MTL might feel differently than dumb ole me, I think if LAK looked at this trade and said, "Give me Romanov and you got a deal," I'd personally do it, especially considering the other D prospects MTL has coming up, and the picks they'd be acquiring in the other trades
Nov. 5, 2021 at 12:17 p.m.
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Quoting: coga16
A 1st, 3rd, and 2 roster players that the avs need as part of their cup depth is an Over payment, They burn assets and create 2 big holes in their line ups. I dont see the net positive here
A 1st and a mid level prospect at the most is his value.

Dvorak as a C cost a 1st and a 3rd. Tofolli isnt getting more back than Dvorak


Well for the third time, it's done for cap purposes this year if necessary, that are already solved for next year. Given that even with all the injuries Jack ****in' Johnson is currently averaging more TOI than Murray, I really don't consider him very consequential in the trade, since when everyone is back, either Johnson or Murray will be scratched. But again, if COL's cap is different with injuries or whatever at the time of the trade and they don't need to dump these two contracts, then it's just Toffoli for a 1st, and if subbing in a prospect for a 3rd makes or breaks Sakic's day, then go for it...
Nov. 5, 2021 at 12:32 p.m.
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Quoting: mvp13
You know, with Norlinder and Guhle coming up, perhaps MTL wouldn't mind giving up Romanov if it could mean getting Villardi. I don't think they would want to give up any 1st or 2nd round picks like you said. But Romanov could potentially be an option. I know Hoffman is definitely aging, but with their signings this year (Arvidson, Danault) it seems LAK want to win sooner rather than later. Hoffman fills an immediate need, I think.

I normally try not to do many trades in my armchair GM teams because it's so hard to understand everyone's prospect pool, team needs, cap situations, etc. So, thanks for explaining. While MTL might feel differently than dumb ole me, I think if LAK looked at this trade and said, "Give me Romanov and you got a deal," I'd personally do it, especially considering the other D prospects MTL has coming up, and the picks they'd be acquiring in the other trades


The signings of Danault/Arvidsson aren't trying to show that they're "trying to win now", more that the tear-down is complete. Now it's on the prospects to get into an atmosphere that is competitive and not bottom in league. As Byfield and Turcotte push the lineup and get experience, then it will shift to win-now mode.

I think there's a trade that could made solely around Vilardi and Romanov. Not sure why the other pieces are necessary, other than MTL just getting out of cap hit.

LA wouldn't be all that inclined to add another winger on a longer contract that will block the way of Kaliyev, ****emo, Turcotte or Kupari (if they get pushed to wing). Lehkonen does literally nothing for LA. They have zero need for another bottom-six plug. At least, while declining, there's SOME small value to Hoffman on the PP. But that's about it. My best thought would be to look at a Vilardi-Romanov swap of some sort.
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Nov. 5, 2021 at 12:51 p.m.
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The only way that LA is trading Vilardi is if it's Vilardi+ for an upgraded young player with several years of term remaining. We're talking guys like Sergachev and Chychrun, not Mike Hoffman.

If you want to swap Vilardi for Caufield, LA will listen. Otherwise, Vilardi is staying put.
Nov. 5, 2021 at 12:54 p.m.
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I don't know why I have to keep pointing this out.

Gallagher's points/60 the last 4 years are 2.4, 2.3, 2.6, 2.6.
His production has not been going down, the seasons have been shorter.
Not off to a great start this year, but the whole team is in a funk and he's playing injured. Not worried with 1.7 p/60 over an 11 game stretch.

Whether his play will drop off significantly down the road, is debatable, but he doesn't rely on attributes which typically decline with age, like speed, so it's not a given.

If he were made available, anyone wanting to win now would be interested and not too concerned about the last couple years. He's consistent, works hard, and makes his linemates better. He's a perennial 30 goal scorer to boot. Worth every penny.
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Nov. 5, 2021 at 1:01 p.m.
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Quoting: mvp13
Well for the third time, it's done for cap purposes this year if necessary, that are already solved for next year. Given that even with all the injuries Jack ****in' Johnson is currently averaging more TOI than Murray, I really don't consider him very consequential in the trade, since when everyone is back, either Johnson or Murray will be scratched. But again, if COL's cap is different with injuries or whatever at the time of the trade and they don't need to dump these two contracts, then it's just Toffoli for a 1st, and if subbing in a prospect for a 3rd makes or breaks Sakic's day, then go for it...


cap space is accumulative during the season if you arent using LTIR, you dont need to shed dollar for dollar at the deadline, I highly doubt the Avs are going to be so destoryed cap wise that they need to shed Murray and Francouz to make a move.

Murray is good depth, Same as JJ they are filling their roles. You get rid of Murray you know who is in the line up. Kurtis McDermid and that makes that avs a 100 times worse if he is playing regular shifts
 
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