We need another Muzzin

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Created by: Brad_Treliving

Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 6, 2021

Published: Nov. 6, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

I would only do this trade if Manson is willing to sign an extension

Trades

TOR

Manson, Josh ($2,000,000 retained)

ANA

Holl, Justin
2022 1st round pick (TOR)

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$81,500,000	$78,688,116	$0	$400,000	$2,811,884

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Bunting, Michael $950,000$950,000 LW UFA - 2	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 3	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW UFA - 4
Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 4	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 3
Engvall, Pierre $1,250,000$1,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Kämpf, David $1,500,000$1,500,000 C UFA - 2	Kase, Ondrej $1,250,000$1,250,000 RW UFA - 1
Ritchie, Nick $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW UFA - 2	Spezza, Jason $750,000$750,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Simmonds, Wayne $900,000$900,000 RW, LW NTC UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD NMC UFA - 1	Manson, Josh $50,000$50,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Mrázek, Petr $3,800,000$3,800,000 G M-NTC UFA - 3
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NTC UFA - 3	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 3	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 1
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167$894,167 LD UFA - 1	Liljegren, Timothy $863,333$863,333 ($400,000$400K) RD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Dermott, Travis $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 2		Mikheyev, Ilya $1,645,000$1,645,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Nov. 6, 2021 at 10:37 p.m.

palhal

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Only trouble is the current edition of Manson isn't close to Muzzin in value.

Nov. 6, 2021 at 10:40 p.m.

jnowariak

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Quoting: palhal

Only trouble is the current edition of Manson isn't close to Muzzin in value.

Or ability for that matter.

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Nov. 6, 2021 at 10:47 p.m.

LeafsFanForSomeReason

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You can always use another Muzzin. Manson is not that.

Nov. 6, 2021 at 10:50 p.m.

HappyKampfers

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Manson isnt close to muzzin and isnt worth a 1st

Nov. 6, 2021 at 10:50 p.m.

csick

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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason

You can always use another Muzzin. Manson is not that.

Larsson?

Nov. 6, 2021 at 10:53 p.m.

Brad_Treliving

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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason

You can always use another Muzzin. Manson is not that.

He is exactly a Muzzin, watch his game

Nov. 6, 2021 at 10:54 p.m.

Brad_Treliving

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Quoting: palhal

Only trouble is the current edition of Manson isn't close to Muzzin in value.

Watch how he plays. He is exactly a Muzzin

Nov. 6, 2021 at 10:54 p.m.

LeafsFanForSomeReason

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Quoting: Babatunde

He is exactly a Muzzin, watch his game

I have. He's not.

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Nov. 6, 2021 at 10:58 p.m.

draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

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But but but....Holl is a top pair Dman.... Thankfully Dubas and Keefe have realized which I've known for years, Holl is garbage.

Nov. 6, 2021 at 10:58 p.m.

#10

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Quoting: csick

Larsson?

Muzz is underrated (even though he's been struggling to start the year). There aren't a ton of guys like him out there. Don't mind Larsson, especially if he's been able to carry over his great last season to the Kraken - haven't been able to see much of them yet this year, so I can't really speak to that. But he's not a Muzzin, imo.

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Nov. 6, 2021 at 11:27 p.m.

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aadoyle

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Quoting: csick

Larsson?

Would Seattle really move Adam Larsson?

And I dont think we can afford him long term lul

Also his playstyle is not what Keefe likes

Nov. 6, 2021 at 11:35 p.m.

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aadoyle

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Agreed as I have said before including last season at the deadline

Leafs need Muzzin insurance

Now Manson is a nice add but thats a tad pricey

Now I think the focus should be on LD as we got a lot of RD who can play on the third letting Dermott/Holl or Liligren take the 2nd pair RD spot

So who would be ideal well

Theres Lindholm, Leddy, Maatta, Edler (last option to look at)

could work

Nov. 6, 2021 at 11:51 p.m.

#13

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Quoting: csick

Larsson?

He isn't a Muzzin either. Larsson legit isn't very good.

Nov. 6, 2021 at 11:52 p.m.

#14

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Quoting: Babatunde

Watch how he plays. He is exactly a Muzzin

Manson has been bad for 3 straight seasons.

Nov. 6, 2021 at 11:54 p.m.

#15

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Quoting: aadoyle

Lindholm is the only guy on that list that I think would even make the Leafs.

Nov. 7, 2021 at 12:02 a.m.

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aadoyle

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

Lindholm is the only guy on that list that I think would even make the Leafs.

Leddy could to, while not as good defensively still a useful guy and should not be overly expensive. The other 2 are just cheap options that can do good in certain situations

Nov. 7, 2021 at 12:08 a.m.

#17

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Quoting: aadoyle

Leddy could to, while not as good defensively still a useful guy and should not be overly expensive. The other 2 are just cheap options that can do good in certain situations

Leddy sucks

Nov. 7, 2021 at 12:14 p.m.

#18

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Larsson has a full NTC. With his personality type (the way it appears anyways) and the fact he chose to sign as a UFA in Seattle with trade protection, I highly doubt he would want to go to the spotlight of Toronto.

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