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Initial Creation Date: Nov. 8, 2021

Published: Nov. 8, 2021

Team: 2021-22 Vancouver Canucks

Team Explanation

IF (big if) the Canucks are looking good at the deadline I think finding a relatively cheap 3C that is offensive should be a priority.

This would allow us to roll a shutdown line with Dickinson and give Pod and Garland more scoring opportunities. It would also be a big boost for our PP as PP2 has no centres.

Strome is an interesting option for Chicago as he definitely has potential and has show he can play but also seems to have fallen out of favour (maybe a new coach changes things).

A first is steep on paper but really its a mid 20's (keep in mind I'm assuming we're firmly in a playoff spot at the deadline) for a high 30's pick. I'm actually wondering if it's too little.

Other options could be Domi (expensive) or Getzlaf (inter-division, NMC). Anyone else have ideas for 3C's?

Trades

VAN

Strome, Dylan ($1,500,000 retained)
2022 2nd round pick (CHI)

CHI

2022 1st round pick (VAN)

Buyouts

Braden Holtby: $500,000
Jake Virtanen: $50,000

Recapture Fees

Roberto Luongo: $3,035,212

DRAFT YEAR	ROUND 1	ROUND 2	ROUND 3	ROUND 4	ROUND 5	ROUND 6	ROUND 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$80,710,659	$648,780	$3,400,000	$789,341

Roster

Left Wing	Center	Right Wing
Miller, J.T. $5,250,000 LW, C UFA - 2	Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000 C, LW RFA - 3	Boeser, Brock $5,875,000 RW UFA - 1
Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000 LW NTC UFA - 3	Horvat, Bo $5,500,000 C UFA - 2	Höglander, Nils $891,667 LW, RW RFA - 2
Podkolzin, Vasily $925,000 LW, RW RFA - 3	Strome, Dylan $1,500,000 C, LW RFA - 1	Garland, Conor $4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 5
Motte, Tyler $1,225,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Dickinson, Jason $2,650,000 C, LW UFA - 3	Highmore, Matthew $725,000 LW, RW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000 LD UFA - 6	Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000 RD UFA - 4	Demko, Thatcher $5,000,000 G UFA - 5
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 6	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 3	Halák, Jaroslav $1,500,000 G NMC UFA - 1
Rathbone, Jack $925,000 LD RFA - 1	Hamonic, Travis $3,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Schenn, Luke $850,000 RD UFA - 2		Sutter, Brandon $1,125,000 RW, C UFA - 1
Lammikko, Juho $750,000 C, LW RFA - 1		Ferland, Micheal $3,500,000 LW, RW NTC UFA - 2
Burroughs, Kyle $750,000 LD/RD UFA - 2		Keeper, Brady $762,500 RD UFA - 2

Special Teams

Power Play 1
	Horvat, B.	Boeser, B.

Nov. 8, 2021 at 1:47 a.m.

editor9999

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I wouldn't be giving up a first round pick for Strome.

Nov. 8, 2021 at 1:58 a.m.

Juiceman

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Quoting: editor9999

I wouldn't be giving up a first round pick for Strome.

Neither would I. We brought in Dickinson to be our 3C. With offensive wingers, the third line can still produce offense (as shown today with a goal)

Nov. 8, 2021 at 2:23 a.m.

majormoose007

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not trading a 1st for strome

Nov. 8, 2021 at 2:48 a.m.

Garak

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A late 1st for Strome and an early Second isn't too bad. That is if VAN finishes in the top of the standings. Would have to be a TDL move to be sure.

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Nov. 8, 2021 at 3:47 a.m.

BigTramFan

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I think Strome fell out of favour last season because with 54% oZ starts he managed to give up 29 on-ice goals against whereas on-ice goals for were only 18. So although he puts up points he is just terrible at defence and the net result is not worth it. He only has 1 assist in 5 games so far this season.

Other suggestions? Not necessarily an offensive 3C...but if we are looking on track for the playoffs and Seattle are looking to be out of contention I would be tempted to trade for Jarnkrok. He is UFA next season so Seattle yield something for him as a rental before he walks. Proven playoff performer. Has been a bit slow with Seattle but a 30-point/season player previous 6 seasons. Plays any position. Plays PP and PK. Woudln't pay a 1st round pick for him tho...

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Nov. 8, 2021 at 7:55 a.m.

exo2769

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Edited Nov. 8, 2021 at 10:15 a.m.

I just want to free Strome at this point. CHI management has been playing games with this kid. I feel terrible for him. The only time they put him in a place to succeed was his 1st year where he scores 51 points in 58 games. It's true, he's not good defensively. But if you need to score and you need a PP center. He's really good at that.

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Nov. 8, 2021 at 10:10 a.m.

ragger_lord

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Quoting: majormoose007

not trading a 1st for strome

Quoting: Juiceman

Neither would I. We brought in Dickinson to be our 3C. With offensive wingers, the third line can still produce offense (as shown today with a goal)

Quoting: editor9999

I wouldn't be giving up a first round pick for Strome.

It's only moving down about 10 spots on the draft. Not straight up giving up a first.

Also last night that line scored with Bo on the ice.

I like Dickinson but he is and always had been an Offensive black hole

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Nov. 8, 2021 at 10:22 a.m.

Garak

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Quoting: exo2769

I really think a lot of his shortcomings were mismanagement. If he could have at least one defensively responsible linemate and our D hadn't been so god awful under Colliton, he probably would've been looking at a shiny new $5-6mil contract this coming summer.

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Nov. 8, 2021 at 11:29 a.m.

ChiHawk

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Quoting: editor9999

I wouldn't be giving up a first round pick for Strome.

Quoting: Juiceman

Neither would I. We brought in Dickinson to be our 3C. With offensive wingers, the third line can still produce offense (as shown today with a goal)

Come on, a late 1st for a very early 2nd...only moving back in the draft 5 to 10 spots...easily worth it but also why Chicago likely wouldn't accept.

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Nov. 8, 2021 at 11:31 a.m.

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Quoting: exo2769

He looked good last night that's for sure, so maybe with the coaching change he's going to not only be on the ice (clearly deserves that) but properly played. If that happens, we should see Strome go back to a .50ppg+ player that he is and either hold on to him or increase his trade value. I'm not entirely sold on Dach being a center at this point, although he's still a kid, but Strome as a future 2C especially if Dach doesn't develop into one and putting Dach on the wing is an interesting scenario.

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Nov. 8, 2021 at 12:21 p.m.

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Quoting: ChiHawk

I'm good with allowing Dach to play wing. The one thing that I find hard to understand (not suggesting you're doing this though) is people giving up on their young prospects so early. Not every prospect gets set up perfectly like Byram is right now. Whether than be Kaapo, Dach, or Lafreniere...it really does take time for players to develop. I'm happy with anything that gives Dach a ton of ice time. Doesn't matter to me whether he's a C or a RW.

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Nov. 8, 2021 at 12:32 p.m.

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Edited Nov. 8, 2021 at 12:55 p.m.

Quoting: exo2769

Yes, definitely agree with that as well and do agree the jury is rightfully out on Dach being a 1C/2C that we hope for, but Strome under new coaching could be a great insurance policy. I know some fans like Borgstrom quite a bit and suggest he can replace Strome, I don't quite see it that way. Borgstrom to me, is a decent 3C but don't see the top 6 potential and think his value declines further up the lineup. Conversely, Strome is all top 6 and his value declines further down the lineup. What if Toews isn't re-signed after next season, what do the Hawks then have as top 6 centers? I just think Strome provides an insurance policy as such.

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Nov. 8, 2021 at 1:53 p.m.

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SamTheGoalie36

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Quoting: Lovie_Smith

A late 1st for Strome and an early Second isn't too bad. That is if VAN finishes in the top of the standings. Would have to be a TDL move to be sure.

Yeah but do like top 20 protected

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Nov. 8, 2021 at 3:50 p.m.

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Quoting: SamTheGoalie36

Yeah but do like top 20 protected

The only picks in the lottery are the 16 teams that don't make the playoffs. And the only lottery draws are for the first two picks. Which means without winning the lottery the other 14 teams can only move back 2 slots at most. All the teams that make the playoffs have their draft position locked. So if that was a TDL move, it would be so close to the end of the season anyway that the standings won't change much. Which would mean negotiation protections loses a lot of value. If you are a playoff team, you pretty much know your draft position by the TDL. Which I am assuming VAN will be a playoff team this year. They have a pretty baller roster right now!

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