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What Bergevin should have done 2021-Sep-04

Created by: Bostonbruins
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 8, 2021
Published: Nov. 8, 2021
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If Bergevin made this trade in September, Jack would be on the ice in December.
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (MTL)
2.
MTL
    Jack Eichel
    BUF
    1. Caufield, Cole
    2. Drouin, Jonathan
    3. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
    4. 2024 2nd round pick (MTL)
    Additional Details:
    Paul Byron
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2022
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    2023
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    2024
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$57,382,144$597,561$1,175,000$24,117,856
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    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    RW, LW
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    UFA - 6
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    $2,125,000$2,125,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
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    $950,000$950,000
    C, LW, RW
    UFA - 1
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    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 6
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    $1,150,000$1,150,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
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    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
    C
    UFA - 1
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    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 3
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    $750,000$750,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
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    $750,000$750,000
    C
    UFA - 1
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    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
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    $725,000$725,000
    C
    UFA - 1
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    $750,000$750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $1,750,000$1,750,000
    LD/RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    $2,343,750$2,343,750
    RD
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 4
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    $10,500,000$10,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 5
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    $925,000$925,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
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    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $2,875,000$2,875,000
    G
    UFA - 2
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    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
    LD
    RFA - 1
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    $750,000$750,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
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    $750,000$750,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $875,000$875,000
    LD/RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $7,857,143$7,857,143
    RD
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $950,000$950,000
    LW, RW, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2

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    Nov. 8, 2021 at 10:18 a.m.
    #1
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    LOL, Sabre fans would not like this trade so much today.
    While Drouin is doing well, Tuch is a RW and wants to play in Buffalo and is signed for five years.
    IDK who will be better Krebs or Caufield.
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    Nov. 8, 2021 at 10:19 a.m.
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    You fail to understand a very basic concept (much like almost everyone else here). BUF says no to this trade, fast.
    Nov. 8, 2021 at 10:24 a.m.
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    why would buffalo want an AHL player?
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    Nov. 8, 2021 at 10:25 a.m.
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    Quoting: redw1n9s
    You fail to understand a very basic concept (much like almost everyone else here). BUF says no to this trade, fast.
    Why do you think this?
    Most Sabre fans were insisting that either Caufield or Suzuki be part of the deal.
    It is not much different than the Vegas trade.
    Do you think Buffalo says no so they do not have to play against MTL? Or do you think the Canadians would have needed to add more?
    @vr1995 in September, Buffalo fans wanted Caufield, most MTL fans thought Drouin was a bust.
    Nov. 8, 2021 at 10:26 a.m.
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    That deal is much worse for Buffalo compared to the Vegas one. Drouin and Byron are multi year semi cap dumps. Sabres prefer Tuch. Now what is the Krebs and Caulfield values? Could be equal.
    Now if Buffalo knew Montreal might be top 5 lottery pick, yea then maybe Buffalo does the deal, but who would've known in September.
    But Habs after a Cup final appearance, at least in September didn't want to trade three NHLers for an injured player
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    Nov. 8, 2021 at 10:37 a.m.
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    Quoting: Bostonbruins
    Why do you think this?
    Most Sabre fans were insisting that either Caufield or Suzuki be part of the deal.
    It is not much different than the Vegas trade.
    Do you think Buffalo says no so they do not have to play against MTL? Or do you think the Canadians would have needed to add more?
    vr1995 in September, Buffalo fans wanted Caufield, most MTL fans thought Drouin was a bust.


    First off, MTL is in the same division - higher price. Second, it's not enough on value. Tuch is far superior to Drouin and Krebs is superior to Caufield. Lastly, you're failing to consider the value of the pick.

    These "equivalent" trades are pure nonsense - that's not how this works.
    Nov. 8, 2021 at 10:39 a.m.
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    Quoting: redw1n9s
    First off, MTL is in the same division - higher price. Second, it's not enough on value. Tuch is far superior to Drouin and Krebs is superior to Caufield. Lastly, you're failing to consider the value of the pick.

    These "equivalent" trades are pure nonsense - that's not how this works.
    thanks, what do you think MTL would have to add?
    Nov. 8, 2021 at 10:56 a.m.
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    why stop there. go all the way back to the off-seaon.
    Nov. 8, 2021 at 10:57 a.m.
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    Sooooo nothing, since Buffalo would had refuse that offer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Your offer isn’t even close to a center prospect and à 20G hometown power foward under contract for 5 years...
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    Nov. 8, 2021 at 12:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    Drouin and Byron are multi year semi cap dumps.

    Yeah I guess 7 points in 11 games is semi cap dump.
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    Nov. 8, 2021 at 1:20 p.m.
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    No center in the trade so BUF would have nixed that. Do I think MTL could have swung a trade for Eichel yeah, but they would have had to had the best offer by far to get it done and almost without a doubt Suzuki would have had to be part of it to make BUF trade him to a division rival.
    Nov. 8, 2021 at 1:54 p.m.
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    Quoting: redw1n9s
    You fail to understand a very basic concept...
    Quoting: vr1995
    why would buffalo want an AHL player?
    Quoting: palhal
    That deal is much worse for Buffalo compared to the Vegas one...
    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    why stop there. go all the way back to the off-seaon.
    Quoting: jpsnow13
    Sooooo nothing, since Buffalo would had refuse that offer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ...
    Quoting: ColonelX
    Yeah I guess 7 points in 11 games is semi cap dump.
    Quoting: Xqb15a
    No center in the trade so BUF would have nixed that... I think you are correct, but right now with Mittelstadt, Cozens, Thompson and Quinn (I think the Sabres are trying him as center as well), the Sabres would have wanted more than this offer not necessarily a center. You are the only one who offered constructive comment regarding the trade. As you can see some even decided to start with an insult, LOL!
    Thanks for your comments.
    You are all correct that the offer from Vegas is better than this one.
    Remember this post was presuming Bergevin and Buffalo were dealing in September, not 10 games into the season.
    So put yourself into a time machine consider what could have been offered!
    So the purpose of the post was to demonstrate that Dvorak was the wrong center to add and MTL had the assets to make the trade.
    I was hoping that most responders would offer suggestions rather than just a categorical no.
    I think during the offseason most Sabre fans would have wanted Caufield over Krebs as Cole had just completed and excellent playoff.
    Tuch is certainly the best player as he wants to play in Buffalo.
    On the other hand trading Suzuki for Jack would not have made any sense for the Canadians, who would have played center for MTL for the first two months?

    So the answers I was hoping to receive were centered more on what else needed to be offered.
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    Nov. 8, 2021 at 2:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bostonbruins
    So the answers I was hoping to receive were centered more on what else needed to be offered.

    You'll get use to it, people are very shortsighted here and always think everyone else is in the wrongdoing.


    Flashnews; Nobody knows more than one another here, we're just wankers pretending to be important.
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    Nov. 8, 2021 at 3:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: ColonelX
    Yeah I guess 7 points in 11 games is semi cap dump.


    Yes, the post was about a trade in September. Yes, at the time, and still probably still 8.9m X 2 for Drouin and Byron,,,,yea that's a semi cap dump
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    Nov. 8, 2021 at 3:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: ColonelX
    You'll get use to it, people are very shortsighted here and always think everyone else is in the wrongdoing. Flashnews; Nobody knows more than one another here, we're just wankers pretending to be important.
    I agree.
    I try to listen to other ideas to help me to understand teams needs and value of players.
    As I said, at the time, I felt Bergevin may try harder to get Eichel, instead he opted for the cheap alternative.
    Today, Caufield, MTL 2022 first, CAR 2022 first, Drouin, Poehling, Tuch and Byron may not appear to be too much.
    I think Buffalo would have said yes to that offer, but who knows as you corrected pointed out.
    Most important, if Bergevin had over paid for Eichel, Jake would be in the NHL next month.
     
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