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Sens Subreddit Trade

Created by: PLDGEY
Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 8, 2021
Published: Nov. 8, 2021
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Description
Guy on the sens sub thinks this is a good trade.

/u/cunning21

He wont listen to reason, I wonder what a largely impartial crowd thinks
Trades
OTT
  1. Dahlin, Rasmus
  2. Skinner, Jeff ($1,000,000 retained)
BUF
  1. Bernard-Docker, Jacob
  2. Brännström, Erik
  3. White, Colin
  4. Zaitsev, Nikita
  5. 2022 1st round pick (OTT)
Additional Details:
Top 3 Protected
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$81,500,000$71,754,091$0$4,057,500$9,745,909
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,330,674$8,330,674
LW
UFA - 7
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
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$3,600,000$3,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$749,250$749,250
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
C
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C
UFA - 1
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$747,500$747,500 (Performance Bonus$107,500$108K)
LW
RFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$726,667$726,667
LW
RFA - 1
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$725,000$725,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 7
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$900,000$900,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
C
RFA - 2

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Nov. 8, 2021 at 2:54 p.m.
#1
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So much wrong with this trade. As much as I love Dahlin , Skinner contract absolutely scares me
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Nov. 8, 2021 at 2:57 p.m.
#2
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Sabres Pass
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Nov. 8, 2021 at 2:58 p.m.
#3
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No no no, we are not starting Dahlin trades, not after 8 months of Eichel deals
Nov. 8, 2021 at 2:59 p.m.
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Quoting: TagesMissedShots
No no no, we are not starting Dahlin trades, not after 8 months of Eichel deals


Hahaha
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Nov. 8, 2021 at 3:01 p.m.
#5
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Whoever we draft with our 2022 1st round pick might be just as good as Dahlin, if not better.


The condition on the 1st leaves more than enough wiggle room for it to be a Top 10 pick


As high as 4th overall.


Then, there's Jeff Skinner at 8 million per year until 2027 for everything else


If you take out the first and Dahlin.


I don't like it frown
Nov. 8, 2021 at 3:12 p.m.
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It doesn’t make sense for the Sabres
1- to early to give up on Dahlin
2- not enough value to tempt them to do so
3- not gonna devalue the return they’d get by including Skinner
4- they need him to get to the Cap floor anyways

There’s just no way anything like this could happen imo
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Nov. 8, 2021 at 3:19 p.m.
#7
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This trade makes no sense for either team lol
Nov. 8, 2021 at 3:21 p.m.
#8
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"I wonder what a largely impartial crowd thinks"

Reddit much be pretty bad if you think we're impartial tears of joy
Nov. 8, 2021 at 3:35 p.m.
#9
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Ah the rare lose lose trade.

The Sabres would be giving up on a potential franchise D way too early.

The Sens would take on a terrible deal that could really handcuff them when it comes time to re-sign Dahlin, Stü, Sanderson, and Pinto and give up a high pick.
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Nov. 8, 2021 at 3:50 p.m.
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No from buffalo
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Nov. 8, 2021 at 3:59 p.m.
#11
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Quoting: PLDGEY
This trade makes no sense for either team lol


I was going to say this

Buffalo need to retain high end talent and buld around Dahlin

Sens shouldn't trade their 1st round pick in 2022, unless it was for a player that would totally turn the team around and hence make that pick worse.

Sens don't need LD, Sanderson is joining the team later this season. LW, LD and G are the 3 positions the Sens won't need any help. Trade for other positional needs

Keep in mind that most hockey fans don't really know the difference between LD and RD, and many also don't have any idea what positional needs means

Quoting: Buffalove
2- not enough value to tempt them to do so


I understand not wanting to make this trade but not enough value? I suggest you start looking at the top-10 of this upcoming draft. It's like 2020 but even better. Unless you think the Sens 1st won't be top-10?Well, thanks for being optimistic but can't see them climbing out of this

Brannstrom and Bernard-Docker are still worth first round picks too
Nov. 8, 2021 at 4:03 p.m.
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Delete please
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Nov. 8, 2021 at 4:09 p.m.
#13
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So many reasons to say no, for both teams. This is as bad as a radu trade idea
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Nov. 8, 2021 at 4:42 p.m.
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Both Teasm say no many times over
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Nov. 8, 2021 at 4:54 p.m.
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Quoting: TagesMissedShots
No no no, we are not starting Dahlin trades, not after 8 months of Eichel deals


Let the bad Dahlin trades begin - I got one right away - Dahlin and Skinner for Kirby Dach, Colton Dach, Seth Jones and Caleb Jones
Nov. 8, 2021 at 4:58 p.m.
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Skinners buyout doesnt look all that bad in 2 years. Theres no reasonable trade offer coming, everything would be retention and first round picks, or something like this where it drags the value of dahlin down. I figure two years of seeing if theres any kids that can play hockey, not caring about skinner, then buying him out before making a real attempt at winning. Im just gonna wonder again, to myself, who exactly was botterill negotiating against that got skinner that deal. Its at least 2 million and probably more like 2.5 more than anybody was offering. This was after the ror trade. I mean, seriously, how did this guy get hired? One serious question, i kinda feel like sens/sabres fans have a horrible owner kinship, curious if melnyk would even sign off on bringing in skinner, even if it meant getting dahlin?
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Nov. 8, 2021 at 4:58 p.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
"I wonder what a largely impartial crowd thinks"

Reddit much be pretty bad if you think we're impartial tears of joy


Haha, a million very partial fans become an impartial opinion once you zoom far out enough
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Nov. 8, 2021 at 5:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Xspyrit


Brannstrom and Bernard-Docker are still worth first round picks too


Lol, no they arent
Nov. 8, 2021 at 5:35 p.m.
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buf doesn't do this
Nov. 8, 2021 at 6:29 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Lol, no they arent


100% jbd is. Say what you want about Brannstrom but the jbd slander is stupid. If you don’t know about him just say that lol.
Nov. 8, 2021 at 7:08 p.m.
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Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
100% jbd is. Say what you want about Brannstrom but the jbd slander is stupid. If you don’t know about him just say that lol.


Lol, he's not worth a 1st. Sorry that upsets you
Nov. 8, 2021 at 9:37 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Lol, he's not worth a 1st. Sorry that upsets you


You're so well informed so please, let me know why he isn't worth a 1st. Clearly I'm missing something.
Nov. 8, 2021 at 9:45 p.m.
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Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
You're so well informed so please, let me know why he isn't worth a 1st. Clearly I'm missing something.


"Lol, no they arent" sounds like a teenager in his parent's basement. Ignored.
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Nov. 10, 2021 at 3:17 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
So much wrong with this trade. As much as I love Dahlin , Skinner contract absolutely scares me
Quoting: sensonfire
Whoever we draft with our 2022 1st round pick might be just as good as Dahlin, if not better...I don't like it frown
Quoting: PLDGEY
This trade makes no sense for either team lol
Quoting: Xspyrit
I...Buffalo need to retain high end talent and buld around Dahlin...Sens shouldn't trade their 1st round pick in 2022, ...
Quoting: NDoody
Both Teasm say no many times over
I like to play devils advocate, what if we took Skinner out of the trade?
Would the Senators still say no?
I am not advocating trading Dahlin, but that is a good return. It may actually be better than the return for Eichel.
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Nov. 10, 2021 at 3:22 p.m.
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
I like to play devils advocate, what if we took Skinner out of the trade?
Would the Senators still say no?
I am not advocating trading Dahlin, but that is a good return. It may actually be better than the return for Eichel.


Ottawa still says no.

Because it's still Dahlin for a 1st round pick with only Top 3 protection + everything else.
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