Which defencemen passed the puck the most in the 2020-21 season? pic.twitter.com/fpvI1MFz7W

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Which defencemen win the most puck battles?Using @InStatHockey's tracked stats, here are the defencemen who came up with the puck at the highest rate in the 2020-21 season. pic.twitter.com/6RiCQ6tK7f

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Which defencemen steal the puck the most?Using @InStatHockey's tracked data, here are the league's top pick-pockets on the blueline in the 2020-21 season.(The answer may surprise you) pic.twitter.com/Xrf5fLnvqg

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If the acquiring team can get an Arizona or Buffalo to retain an additional 50% to bring his AAV down to $2.25M, and with the weird ways accrued cap space works at the deadline, then I think the Devils can easily get a 3rd and a B-prospect out of Subban.

I don't know if a 2nd would be likely, as the acquiring team is likely parting with a 4th to garner the extra retention. It's still in the realm of possibilities though.

I can 100% see someone wanting Subban if he's retained on, but at the same time, if you can get Subban as your 2RD behind Dougie Hamilton? Sure, neither are great defensively, but that's not bad. Subban's big issue is his cap hit. He's not a 9 million player, we all know that, but at 5-6 mil, that's a very nice player to have. Retain to 4.5.... I could see a 1st from a contender dealing with injuries, but it would be like straight up unless there's a bidding war. For example, I could see Carolina being interested if Pesce is still hurt.

question since you brought up salary...

for example if the kraken had 1M of cap space could they acquire Subban half retained because of his salary or is the cap hit what matters

Being in the last year of his contract, Subban is a true rental.
That being said, there will be a borderline playoff bubble team or an established playoff team that has a need for an experienced D rental at the deadline (injuries, experience, leadership, etc).
That being said, Subban should return a 1st and maybe prospect too or pick. Just look at the experienced D men returns over the last few trade deadlines. NJ may need to retain some to get better return depending on timing of the trade in the season.

I think that is in line with my thinking (and I meant to be cleared about 2nd round pick -or- 3rd round pick and B-prospect/role player).



I would think with three 4th rounders in the hopper, NJD would happily pay the third team to retain 25% ($2.25 AAV, $500k cash). Especially if it returns a late 1st rounder.



Cap space can accrue over season if a team is under cap, so sometimes they can fit in bigger contracts. Squaring a $4.5m peg into a round $1m hole might be hard though. If a third team retains 25% (in three-way deal), it could get his cap hit down to $2.25m AAV per-annum basis. So acquiring team likely needs at least $2m cap space - or be able to move salary out.

Should also be stated that of the 20 least valuable players in the NHL according to xGAR, Subban is not having a great year. IMO he does not have a lot of value anymore.

Edit:
Also, Hi Mr. Ritchie

In terms of trade comparables, you'd probably be looking at a 1st, 3rd, and a AHL player at minimum. Especially for a contending team. That's what Philly gave up for Ristolainen and Subban's better and has a better reputation around the league too. I could easily see a team biting on that price

Chychurn being that low is interesting

what about the which defenseman has the most slew foots and bikini pictures? wheres that stat?

Also, Cap hit is $4.5 at 50% off, but real dollars out of owners pocket is $2M. PK had his bonus paid $6M+ at the end of the summer. cap is cap I get it but physical dollars is my point

Someone will probably overpay especially if a 3rd team retains. Maybe a late 2nd/high 3rd.

hes not good anymore plus hes probably the most Narcissistic player in the league

Chychrun, Dahlen, Leddy would also be 20 of the least valuable players in NHL...maybe I should be trading for them.
(or maybe its a flawed stat that penalizes good players on bad teams)

(a) Subban (b) Subban

ARI sucks but then you look at SPAR(Standings Points Above Replacement) which is proably a better metric for how a player effects the game and Ghost is playing awesome.

Agreed, maybe the eye tests are better

SPAR is too WAR reliant for me to put any faith in it. I much prefer xGAR and GAR+/-

Its a useful metric, but at 1/8 through season, its a small sample size.

Also, here are the D-men that have been traded for 1sts recently and the xGAR from most recent seasons...

Seth Jones: -5.7
OEL: -4.7
Risto: -10.3
Savard: -1.6
Skjei: -3.1
Trouba: -1.4

Agreed, WAR leaves you to do additional math to figure out what that increase in wins means in the standings. With SPAR it let’s figure out how many standings points a team full of replacement players would generate. Using a SPAR model, a team can project their finish in the standings by starting from a baseline of say (50) points and adding the value of each player on their roster until they arrive at a total. If that number lands at (80), they should be prepared to try to improve their roster if they hope to make the playoffs. If that number lands at say 98, they should feel good about their playoff chances and look to add at the margins. Can also do some fun stuff with SPAR, how often good players are the difference between their teams making and missing the playoffs.

Math is fun

See, this is why I spend my life on hockey websites doing math rather than going outside and trying to talk to people, my life feels justified right now

Totally fair, not hating on any of this. I think the best case is a 3rd and a AHL level prospect, even with retention which will most likely be needed if a contending team wants him.

LMFAO, I just like to talk hockey, everything about it 🤷‍♂️