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this is your trade knuckles

Created by: Toufic
Published: Nov. 9, 2021 at 7:24 p.m.
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Season Days: 171/200 (86%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks

Trade occurred while using LTIR
LTIR Relief: $6,612,500
LTIR Used Prior to Trade: $5,512,500
OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Schenn, LukeVancouver CanucksNHL-$850,000111---0000--
Hughes, QuinnVancouver CanucksNHL-$7,850,000111---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
DeMelo, DylanWinnipeg JetsNHL-$3,000,000111---0000--
Morrissey, JoshuaWinnipeg JetsNHL-$6,250,000111---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$1,100,0002346663511
Change-$550,000000000
Final$550,000 (↓)2346663511000

Logo of the Winnipeg JetsWinnipeg Jets

Trade occurred while using LTIR
LTIR Relief: $5,291,667
LTIR Used Prior to Trade: $5,034,167
OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
DeMelo, DylanWinnipeg JetsNHL-$3,000,000111---0000--
Morrissey, JoshuaWinnipeg JetsNHL-$6,250,000111---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Schenn, LukeVancouver CanucksNHL-$850,000111---0000--
Hughes, QuinnVancouver CanucksNHL-$7,850,000111---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$257,5002240553411
Change$550,000000000
Final$807,500 (↑)2240553411000
Nov. 9, 2021 at 7:29 p.m.
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Hughes is alright, but overpaid and Winnipeg can't afford the extra cap or to weaken themselves defensively for an offensive specialist defenseman.
Nov. 9, 2021 at 7:31 p.m.
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false his guy my guy
Nov. 9, 2021 at 7:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Hughes is alright, but overpaid and Winnipeg can't afford the extra cap or to weaken themselves defensively for an offensive specialist defenseman.


You're saying Winnipeg doesn't do that??
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 8:25 p.m.
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You're saying Winnipeg doesn't do that??


They can't afford to cap wise and don't really need an expensive offense only defenseman. The Jets have Pionk and Schmidt for offense, so trading away a very good defensive defenseman on a fair contract for an overpaid, offense only one doesn't make the team better.
Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:06 p.m.
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They can't afford to cap wise and don't really need an expensive offense only defenseman. The Jets have Pionk and Schmidt for offense, so trading away a very good defensive defenseman on a fair contract for an overpaid, offense only one doesn't make the team better.

I think they would try to make it work. Depending on who he was paired with, he could be amazing there
Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:52 p.m.
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I think they would try to make it work. Depending on who he was paired with, he could be amazing there


I don't think they would. The Jets tried the playing the last two seasons with a defense that wasn't very good defensively and it didn't work out well. They've fixed that this season, so I don't see the Jets going backwards after 10 games and replacing one of their best defensive defenseman with a defenseman that is horrific defensively and is redundant offensively. Team wise it just doesn't make sense to improve something that doesn't really need to be improved by sacrificing something you can't afford to sacrifice.
Nov. 9, 2021 at 11:28 p.m.
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i think it will go thru, tell you why because he wanted out this season for a reason and that's his bid so..
Nov. 10, 2021 at 4:31 a.m.
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false his guy my guy


I don't know why you are calling me out like this, but I guess you recognize that this trade is terrible for Vancouver and you aren't serious about it

Quoting: Windjammer
Hughes is alright, but overpaid and Winnipeg can't afford the extra cap or to weaken themselves defensively for an offensive specialist defenseman.


Are you seriously calling Hughes overpaid? Are you honestly calling a guy who is a legitimate number 1 defenseman who is making less than 8 million per season on average overpaid relative to today's market? I mean yes, Hughes had a very rough year defensively, but he has been much better defensively this season, I don't think he can be written off as topping out as being a Tyson Barrie second coming, therefore he remains an untouchable for Vancouver. Besides, Winnipeg doesn't have the pieces to create a satisfying return package for Vancouver even if the Canucks WERE shopping Hughes

Everyone regards Hughes as an elite talent (except for you apparently), and a lot of people seem to be unsure of what to make of Morrissey, so I don't know what you are trying to get at by calling Hughes offensively redundant, if there is any such thing

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They can't afford to cap wise and don't really need an expensive offense only defenseman. The Jets have Pionk and Schmidt for offense, so trading away a very good defensive defenseman on a fair contract for an overpaid, offense only one doesn't make the team better.


As for Morrissey, he is most definitely not a defensive specialist, did you not see what a rough season he had last year or are you just trolling? If anything, Morrissey is a defenseman of who's defensive abilities I still very much question, and his contract has been in the conversation for the leagues top ten worse valued. Jet's have a lot of offensive minded d-men with Morrissey, Schmidt, and Pionk, that's why Dillon is so important. At least Morrissey is having a good start to this year
Nov. 10, 2021 at 10:11 a.m.
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I don't know why you are calling me out like this, but I guess you recognize that this trade is terrible for Vancouver and you aren't serious about it



Are you seriously calling Hughes overpaid? Are you honestly calling a guy who is a legitimate number 1 defenseman who is making less than 8 million per season on average overpaid relative to today's market? I mean yes, Hughes had a very rough year defensively, but he has been much better defensively this season, I don't think he can be written off as topping out as being a Tyson Barrie second coming, therefore he remains an untouchable for Vancouver. Besides, Winnipeg doesn't have the pieces to create a satisfying return package for Vancouver even if the Canucks WERE shopping Hughes

Everyone regards Hughes as an elite talent (except for you apparently), and a lot of people seem to be unsure of what to make of Morrissey, so I don't know what you are trying to get at by calling Hughes offensively redundant, if there is any such thing



As for Morrissey, he is most definitely not a defensive specialist, did you not see what a rough season he had last year or are you just trolling? If anything, Morrissey is a defenseman of who's defensive abilities I still very much question, and his contract has been in the conversation for the leagues top ten worse valued. Jet's have a lot of offensive minded d-men with Morrissey, Schmidt, and Pionk, that's why Dillon is so important. At least Morrissey is having a good start to this year


Wow there is a lot of the expected Canucks homerism there. You missed a line there about Hughes being elite. It should have read, everyone in VANCOUVER considers him an elite talent, just like Pettersson. Unbiased fans and writers don't. They we're talking about him on NHL radio after he signed his contract and everyone called him a good young defenseman, but all of them mentioned how he hasn't lived up to his hype yet and needs a lot of improvement in his defensive game. Calling him a legit #1, is laughable. He even knows he isn't a legit #1, if he was he would have wanted more than 8 mil/year.

He's a good offense only defenseman that you want off the ice if you're in your own end.

If the Canucks have two elite talents, how come they're still one of the worst teams in hockey?
Nov. 10, 2021 at 10:11 a.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Wow there is a lot of the expected Canucks homerism there. You missed a line there about Hughes being elite. It should have read, everyone in VANCOUVER considers him an elite talent, just like Pettersson. Unbiased fans and writers don't. They we're talking about him on NHL radio after he signed his contract and everyone called him a good young defenseman, but all of them mentioned how he hasn't lived up to his hype yet and needs a lot of improvement in his defensive game. Calling him a legit #1, is laughable. He even knows he isn't a legit #1, if he was he would have wanted more than 8 mil/year.

He's a good offense only defenseman that you want off the ice if you're in your own end.

If the Canucks have two elite talents, how come they're still one of the worst teams in hockey?


You and other media outlets would be right to pump the brakes on putting Hughes in the upper echelon alongside the likes of Cale Makar, Adam Fox, Zach Werenski etc. before the season started, the Canucks are already 13 games into the season and I'm telling you first hand that Hughes's defensive game has much improved since this season started. In fact, the team as a whole which hasn't been very good defensively the past couple of seasons has been better defensively than expected. The Canucks slow start has been quite ironic actually, they have been pretty solid defensively (despite a struggling PK) but they have struggled creating offense when everybody expected the opposite optics out of them. Anyways, I don't think I sound like a homer

It sounds like you are just going off of one radio conversation about Quinn Hughes. Truth is, whether he is a defensive liability or not, he produces offense exceptionally well, and offensive defenseman get paid. Not saying you have to agree, but the truth is the market for those types of defenseman is extremely vicious, and his offensive capabilities are what is going to keep him in the upper echelon of defensemen. I know you are already writing off Hughes as a Tyson Barrie, Shayne Gostisbehere, or Tony DeAngelo-esque player, and I'm telling you that even though Hughes doesn't kill penalties, he has a much higher hockey IQ than those three supposed comparables. I believe he is very much still on track to panning out to be something more

Btw, speaking of Cale Makar, I've heard some people say that his defensive warts in his game got exposed back in the second round against Vegas last season

Second, you are judging the Canucks who are simply off to a slow start this season, we don't know that the team is going to be below .500 all season long, hopefully for my sake they are not. I would much rather see a team get off to a slow start and pick up the pace as the season goes along, then finish strong rather than get off to a hot start and for the team to realize while on that high that they won't be able to keep up that trend the entire season and then start playing mind games with themselves causing their season to start to falter later on. Basically, I'm not judging any team based on their first dozen games or so, it's still just too early
Nov. 10, 2021 at 5:15 p.m.
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i mean hughes is good defensively and offensively from what i know on his points from last season he can do it all dont get me wrong but living in vancouver was a downfall for him because he wanted change maybe to another team like winnipeg not saying anything about the player in a good or bad way but sometimes when a player has enough of a team he wants a little change is what im saying ultimately because the players get bored of the same team sometimes and they wanna change up their scenario a bit by making a new move. so i think that's why he was opting out of the contract for so long because he is about to stay with the team is what i understood, obviously but again maybe he needed change? so if he made a deal with morrissey for a new change it's about if he's good or bad with the team the player just sometimes needs out to a new team because the chemistry or the desire of the player to work with a new style of team play could be on his mind like the formation and way they break out attack defend in winnipeg is more collapsed to his style of play which would make him happier in a team in the future so when he gets on the ice its how he wants to be playing with a team you understand?!
Nov. 10, 2021 at 5:24 p.m.
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i mean hughes is good defensively and offensively from what i know on his points from last season he can do it all dont get me wrong but living in vancouver was a downfall for him because he wanted change maybe to another team like winnipeg not saying anything about the player in a good or bad way but sometimes when a player has enough of a team he wants a little change is what im saying ultimately because the players get bored of the same team sometimes and they wanna change up their scenario a bit by making a new move. so i think that's why he was opting out of the contract for so long because he is about to stay with the team is what i understood, obviously but again maybe he needed change? so if he made a deal with morrissey for a new change it's about if he's good or bad with the team the player just sometimes needs out to a new team because the chemistry or the desire of the player to work with a new style of team play could be on his mind like the formation and way they break out attack defend in winnipeg is more collapsed to his style of play which would make him happier in a team in the future so when he gets on the ice its how he wants to be playing with a team you understand?!


I have no idea what is giving you the impression that Hughes wants out of Vancouver? If anything, his performance in twelve games so far screams all evidence to the contrary, and that he is happy here in Vancouver and wants to stay. I don't think Hughes has any issues with the way the Canucks are playing right now, he seems to be doing just fine as it is. I don't think disagreement on team systems had anything to do with contract talks taking so long for Hughes, I've heard the only issue there was figuring out term, and hey, he ended up signing a six year deal rather than a bridge. Maybe you are getting him mixed up with Nate Schmidt, who DID actually want out of Vancouver after one season and IS actually a member of the Jets now and is playing well over there. Anyways, I don't think the Canucks are all that interested in Morrissey, especially not at that 6.25M cap hit with 6 more years of term still to go after this season. I don't think any team (including New Jersey) is going to even try to kick the tires on Quinn Hughes right now, let alone the Jets
 
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