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Some tweaks

Created by: Burnsy613
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 10, 2021
Published: Nov. 10, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Boston Bruins
Trades
1.
BOS
  1. Hertl, Tomas
SJS
  1. Frederic, Trent
  2. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (CGY)
2.
BOS
  1. Gudbranson, Erik
CGY
  1. Clifton, Connor
Buried
  • John Moore: $1,625,000 ($2,750,000)
  • Chris Wagner: $225,000 ($1,350,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2023
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2024
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$80,810,674$1,956,507$125,000$689,326
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BOS
Marchand, Brad
$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 4
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
$6,875,000
C
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
Smith, Craig
$3,100,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
BOS
Hall, Taylor
$6,000,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 4
SJS
Hertl, Tomas
$5,625,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
Pastrnak, David
$6,666,667
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
DeBrusk, Jake
$3,675,000
LW
RFA - 1
BOS
Haula, Erik
$2,375,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BOS
Coyle, Charlie
$5,250,000
C, RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 5
BOS
Hughes, Cameron
$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
BOS
Nosek, Tomas
$1,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BOS
Lazar, Curtis
$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
BOS
Kuhlman, Karson
$725,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BOS
Grzelcyk, Matt
$3,687,500
LD
UFA - 3
BOS
McAvoy, Charlie
$4,900,000
RD
UFA - 1
BOS
Ullmark, Linus
$5,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 4
BOS
Forbort, Derek
$3,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
BOS
Carlo, Brandon
$4,100,000
RD
UFA - 6
BOS
Swayman, Jeremy
$925,000
G
RFA - 2
BOS
Reilly, Mike
$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
CGY
Gudbranson, Erik
$1,950,000
RD
UFA - 1
BOS
Zboril, Jakub
$725,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BOS
Foligno, Nick
$3,800,000
LW, C, RW
NMC
UFA - 2
BOS
Blidh, Anton
$750,000
LW
UFA - 1

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Nov. 10, 2021 at 1:14 p.m.
#1
Quaaludes
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Tweaking indeed. Doesn't come close to getting Hertl.

Explanation: Frederic is a 4C. We already have one of those. Very lowball offer.
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Nov. 10, 2021 at 1:23 p.m.
#2
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Flames decline rather easily
Nov. 10, 2021 at 1:37 p.m.
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Fredrick is not interesting as a piece for Hertl. Lysell is though
Nov. 10, 2021 at 1:43 p.m.
#4
Quaaludes
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Quoting: papishark
Fredrick is not interesting as a piece for Hertl. Lysell is though


Boston fans think Lysell is the next great one.
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Nov. 10, 2021 at 1:44 p.m.
#5
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Quoting: gary_bettman
Boston fans think Lysell is the next great one.


I know they overrate him like crazy, but if there was a legit Hertl trade hes the only viable prospect they have.
Nov. 10, 2021 at 1:59 p.m.
#6
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Quoting: papishark
I know they overrate him like crazy, but if there was a legit Hertl trade hes the only viable prospect they have.


They overrate all of their prospects
Nov. 10, 2021 at 2:00 p.m.
#7
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Not close to getting Hertl with a first next year and a low level prospect
Nov. 10, 2021 at 2:02 p.m.
#8
Quaaludes
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Quoting: glarson17
Not close to getting Hertl with a first next year and a low level prospect


Frederic isn't a prospect anymore. His ceiling is NHL 4C and occasional puncher. Jack Edwards dream player.
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Nov. 10, 2021 at 2:29 p.m.
#9
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Quoting: glarson17
They overrate all of their prospects


every team overrates their prospects... thats the homer in everyone. However... go back and find me a trade where anyone sent their top prospect to a team for a rental.
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Nov. 10, 2021 at 2:36 p.m.
#10
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Quoting: hanson493
every team overrates their prospects... thats the homer in everyone. However... go back and find me a trade where anyone sent their top prospect to a team for a rental.


I never said they would trade him.

On every other post we see Boston fans say Frederic and Studnicka are top players when they just aren’t.
Nov. 10, 2021 at 2:45 p.m.
#11
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Hertl for your 2022 and 2023 1st would be the ideal trade
that or 22 1st Debrusk and a prospect would be fair
not sure Boston does either and not sure Sharks take less.

but who knows.
Nov. 10, 2021 at 3:11 p.m.
#12
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Quoting: gary_bettman
Tweaking indeed. Doesn't come close to getting Hertl.

Explanation: Frederic is a 4C. We already have one of those. Very lowball offer.


Frederic is inarguably a prospect

May be a 4 C now but to assume that's his ceiling?

Unrealistic

I'm not high on him at all naturally

But at only 23 it's almost certain he has another gear
Nov. 10, 2021 at 3:13 p.m.
#13
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Quoting: gary_bettman
Boston fans think Lysell is the next great one.


No, it's just the only prospect with top6 potential that the Bruins have had in a while (maybe Studnicka but he's more middle-6) so it would be great to keep him. That being said, for a player of the caliber of Hertl, Lysell should be in the conversation. Also as hanson493 said, all fans overrate their prospects.

Quoting: glarson17
I never said they would trade him.

On every other post we see Boston fans say Frederic and Studnicka are top players when they just aren’t.


Who are the "Boston fans" who think Frederic is a top player?
Nov. 10, 2021 at 3:14 p.m.
#14
Quaaludes
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Quoting: hanson493
every team overrates their prospects... thats the homer in everyone. However... go back and find me a trade where anyone sent their top prospect to a team for a rental.


It doesn't matter. SJ is not selling Hertl for pennies when the Sharks record is better than Boston's. Bruins are on the decline and SJ is already trending up, we'll keep him thanks.
Nov. 10, 2021 at 3:28 p.m.
#15
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Quoting: bhavikp27
No, it's just the only prospect with top6 potential that the Bruins have had in a while (maybe Studnicka but he's more middle-6) so it would be great to keep him. That being said, for a player of the caliber of Hertl, Lysell should be in the conversation. Also as hanson493 said, all fans overrate their prospects.



Who are the "Boston fans" who think Frederic is a top player?


Any post that has Hertl to Boston has one of the two going to San Jose and all you have to do is read the comments.
Nov. 10, 2021 at 3:29 p.m.
#16
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Quoting: gary_bettman
Frederic isn't a prospect anymore. His ceiling is NHL 4C and occasional puncher. Jack Edwards dream player.


To assume that a 23 year old has hit his ceiling is to ignore decades of evidence to the contrary like you might as well just stick your head in the sand

The Sedins were 3rd liners at 23

Players who started out like Frederic and improved:

Ian Laperriere
Radel Bonk
JEE
Jason Zucker
Chuck Kobasew
Michal Handzus
Antoine vermette
Brad isbister
Chris Tierney
Walt Mckechnie
Olii jokinen
Martin lapointe
Radek faksa
Zack kassian
Tom wilson
Dave Lowry
Darcy tucker
Ryan Kesler
Adam graves
Adam Lowry
Etc.

I don't have a lot of faith whatsoever in frederic but one definitely has to give him the benefit of the doubt in terms of his age and whatnot, credit where due
Nov. 10, 2021 at 3:55 p.m.
#17
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Quoting: glarson17
Any post that has Hertl to Boston has one of the two going to San Jose and all you have to do is read the comments.


6 ACGMs (5 Boston's) and nothing in the trades/description/comments about Frederic being a top player.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/524002

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/518527

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2849333

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/524501/2

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/523138

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/521360
Nov. 10, 2021 at 4:55 p.m.
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Quoting: hanson493
every team overrates their prospects... thats the homer in everyone. However... go back and find me a trade where anyone sent their top prospect to a team for a rental.


Most teams have a top prospect that isnt a late first. Bostons best prospect is like 4th at best in the sharks pool
Nov. 10, 2021 at 5:13 p.m.
#19
Dekesaladekes
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Quoting: gary_bettman
Boston fans think Lysell is the next great one.


Quoting: papishark
I know they overrate him like crazy, but if there was a legit Hertl trade hes the only viable prospect they have.


Quoting: glarson17
They overrate all of their prospects


and yall think an expiring hertl has a trade value more then eichel. not saying this a good trade for hertl but you guys expect way to much in return

as for lysell he was ranked as a top 6 player in the draft and fell due too "attitude issues" which turned out to be nothing once the story was fully uncovered. Im pretty sure in the mock draft thread there was guys even putting lysell top 3/4 over the likes of power, mctavish, guenther, edvinsson, johnson and clarke. the only guys who really maintained a higher draft ranking then him was eklund and beniers and props to you guys for getting eklund 7th overall but considering we got a lysell 21st overall and in terms of skill was only a draft ranking spot under eklund i think we got one hell of a steal
Nov. 10, 2021 at 5:20 p.m.
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Quaaludes
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Quoting: Dekes
and yall think an expiring hertl has a trade value more then eichel. not saying this a good trade for hertl but you guys expect way to much in return

as for lysell he was ranked as a top 6 player in the draft and fell due too "attitude issues" which turned out to be nothing once the story was fully uncovered. Im pretty sure in the mock draft thread there was guys even putting lysell top 3/4 over the likes of power, mctavish, guenther, edvinsson, johnson and clarke. the only guys who really maintained a higher draft ranking then him was eklund and beniers and props to you guys for getting eklund 7th overall but considering we got a lysell 21st overall and in terms of skill was only a draft ranking spot under eklund i think we got one hell of a steal


Sorry but Eklund and Lysell are not comparable. Eklund is far more advanced and excels in all 3 zones. No one compared Hertl to Eichel, don't put words in our mouths.
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Nov. 10, 2021 at 5:24 p.m.
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Quoting: gary_bettman
Sorry but Eklund and Lysell are not comparable. Eklund is far more advanced and excels in all 3 zones. No one compared Hertl to Eichel, don't put words in our mouths.


what are you talking about look a the value you guys ask for. you guys always say a fair return would be a A tier prospect, a young nhl forward and a first. is that not what eichel got? eichel is miles better then hertl is also younger and has term. so sorry but that trade right there screwed over san jose in whatever return you thought you were gonna get for hertl. I think you have troubles understanding hertl is on an expiring deal so if you think a team is gonna give up the whole farm for a player who might not even resign that you don't obviously know hockey. go back and look at all the returns expiring players got at the TD you will see what hertls value is from there
Nov. 10, 2021 at 5:31 p.m.
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Dekesaladekes
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Quoting: gary_bettman
Sorry but Eklund and Lysell are not comparable. Eklund is far more advanced and excels in all 3 zones. No one compared Hertl to Eichel, don't put words in our mouths.


Lysell projects as a possible first-line winger in the NHL. His advanced defensive game and the fact that he has already been playing against men mean that he may be NHL ready quickly. However, he likely needs to spend at least one more season in Sweden, getting stronger and producing offence in the SHL. He should also be an important part of the Swedish team at next year’s World Junior Championships. Lysell’s game is reminiscent of Mitch Marner.

This is a stylistic comparison only though, not one based on skill and potential. also you say lysell is no where near eklund well this is a scouting report from LastWordOnSports i think that whole report just said Lysell also excels in all 3 zones and as a game style similiar to marners wow that says a lot about the kid

oh here is another few from dobber prospects and allaboutthejersey

-Skating: “one of the best skaters in this year’s draft”...”Lysell is lightning quick, getting past his man and into an area to create a scoring chance”...”top-end speed is also excellent”...”agility and edgework are also outstanding”...”able to make quick cuts and changes in direction”.

-Offensive Game: “pairs his outstanding skating with excellent puck handling skills. He can handle the puck while moving at top speed. That makes him very good in transition”...”has excellent vision. His quick hands change angles for the puck and create passing lanes”...”while he is more of a playmaking winger than a shooter, Lysell can score goals as well. He has a quick and deceptive release on his wrist shot.”


-Defensive Game: “he backchecks hard and supports the defence down low”...”lack of size and strength make him vulnerable to bigger and stronger opponents”...”quick stick that is good at stealing”...”strong positionally.”


do some research before talking buddy
Nov. 10, 2021 at 8:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Dekes
what are you talking about look a the value you guys ask for. you guys always say a fair return would be a A tier prospect, a young nhl forward and a first. is that not what eichel got? eichel is miles better then hertl is also younger and has term. so sorry but that trade right there screwed over san jose in whatever return you thought you were gonna get for hertl. I think you have troubles understanding hertl is on an expiring deal so if you think a team is gonna give up the whole farm for a player who might not even resign that you don't obviously know hockey. go back and look at all the returns expiring players got at the TD you will see what hertls value is from there


No, just a top prospect and a late first. Lysell plus Boston first is my ask and a pretty fair deal if you ask me. We dont want Debrusk
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Nov. 10, 2021 at 8:21 p.m.
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Quoting: papishark
No, just a top prospect and a late first. Lysell plus Boston first is my ask and a pretty fair deal if you ask me. We dont want Debrusk


the only thing i see is that how often do teams give up players they recently drafted
Nov. 10, 2021 at 9:32 p.m.
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Quoting: gary_bettman
Boston fans think Lysell is the next great one.


Quoting: papishark
I know they overrate him like crazy, but if there was a legit Hertl trade hes the only viable prospect they have.


Quoting: glarson17
They overrate all of their prospects


Don't think Lysell is the next great one and not overrating him. He is just the only top 6 prospect Boston has so they should be reluctant to give him up. It's a fair ask that he be included in any Hertl deal. Pastrnak was drafted 25th. The chance that Lysell could POTENTIALLY turn out anywhere close to him is why San Jose wants him in any proposed deal and why Boston should say no and move on from Hertl.
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