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Nov. 21, 2021 at 6:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
I mean there's no point in claiming him. If he's on unconditional waivers, that means his contract is going to be terminated. Any interested team should just wait for that to happen, and then sign him to an AHL deal. No point wasting an NHL contract on him if he's on the AHL bubble, but if some team's AHL squad needs some depth maybe they give him an AHL only deal.


I guess I should have clarified, yes, sign him to an AHL deal since he is being bought out
Nov. 21, 2021 at 6:54 p.m.
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And thats why im more excited for the 2023 draft

2 generational talent are up for grabs in Bedard and Michkov

Still super early but people are calling those 2 the second coming of Crosby and Ovie lul.


If they somehow end up on the same team will the be a better duo than McDavid and drai
Nov. 21, 2021 at 7:28 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Thanks, Stucker is one of the CBJ prospects who I couldn’t find anything about. Can you do Marcus Karlberg, Peter Thome, Eric Hjorth, Samuel Johanesson and Nikolai Makarov?


Ask and you shall receive. I’ll get to the others as I go.

CBJ Prospect Spotlight, Episode 2

Marcus Karlberg
Left Winger/Right Winger
Drafted: 2018, 3rd Round, 80th overall
Current Status: Reserve List (rights expire June 1st, 2022)

-He’s the son of Current Leksands IF assistant coach Mikael Karlberg, who had a respectable playing career in Sweden and Switzerland.

-He has a pretty decorated awards section: a Bronze medal in a Swedish U16 tourney, most points and most assists awards in 2015-16 U16 play, and was promoted from the Allsvenskan to the SHL (although it was a short stay that totaled 14 games).

-In terms of attributes: He’s really fast. Like, he can go from 0 to “holy sh*t” speed in no time. His work ethic is something to be admired, and he’s a good passer. Great at setting up good scoring chances, as his assist totals can attest.

-His highest points total in his entire career is 60 points in U16 play with Leksands IF. 26 goals, 34 assists. Currently, as a member of Borlange IF of the HockeyEttan, he’s scored 21 points in 17 games. Pretty good, I’d say.

Final thoughts: All things considered, he could be NHL material with a bit of seasoning. Currently we have a bit of a logjam in wingers, but if that gets cleared out, he could be of great use sometime down the line. If he has a couple of years in Cleveland to get used to the NHL style of play, he could be great.
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Nov. 21, 2021 at 7:44 p.m.
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At only 22 years old, I wonder if some team takes a flyer on Lodnia. A 2017 third-round pick, a young forward with strong junior numbers, solid draft pedigree, and pro experience could be worth a chance. Hi didn’t want to report to the ECHL, which I don’t blame him he is better than that league but ultimately you have to go where your team wants you to play.


Lodina is definitely gonna get picked up. The Canes should get Bishop back too. I literally had the guy over to my house for thanksgiving once.
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 11:18 a.m.
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At only 22 years old, I wonder if some team takes a flyer on Lodnia. A 2017 third-round pick, a young forward with strong junior numbers, solid draft pedigree, and pro experience could be worth a chance. Hi didn’t want to report to the ECHL, which I don’t blame him he is better than that league but ultimately you have to go where your team wants you to play.

I'm actually more interested in Gelinas, tbh. He had such good chemistry with Seider in the SHL that he might be a better partner for him than DeKeyser, at least. Not really enough roster spots for him though.
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Nov. 22, 2021 at 12:36 p.m.
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Ryan Poehling is 8th in goals per game among 2017 draftees, behind only Hischier, Makar, Pettersson, Norris, Robertson, Suzuki & Necas.
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Nov. 23, 2021 at 2:24 p.m.
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Quoting: Roysboy72
I'm actually more interested in Gelinas, tbh. He had such good chemistry with Seider in the SHL that he might be a better partner for him than DeKeyser, at least. Not really enough roster spots for him though.






Back to Sweden, Rögle.
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Nov. 23, 2021 at 2:31 p.m.
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Back to Sweden, Rögle.

Good for him, he played well there and Rogle could always use some better players. I'm pretty sure last year was the first time Rogle had ever gone to the big league finals in their 6+ decades as a Swedish hockey team. Now I'm just hoping he doesn't take away any of Wallinder's ice time lol
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Nov. 23, 2021 at 7:21 p.m.
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So due to @BruinsFan35 updating his rankings and me adding The Hockey News Rankings to my formula here is everyone who is a projected 1st rounder ( average of 32 or under, will only add max 2 decimals )

Shane Wright 1
Matt Savoie 5.3
Juraj Slafkovsky 5.4
Simon Nemec 5.7
Joakim Kemell and Ivan Miroshnichenko 6.4
Logan Cooley 6.6
Danila Yurov 7.1
Brad Lambert 7.2
Connor Geekie 8.5
David Jiricek 11.77
Rutger McGroarty 15
Frank Nazar 15.77
Isaac Howard 18
Noah Ostlund 18.91
Jonathan Lekkerimaki 19.55
Ryan Chesley and Elias Salomonsson 19.8
Tristan Luneau 19.9
Ty Nelson 20.16
Seamus Casey 20.75
Nathan Gaucher 23.25
Marco Kasper 25.05
Bryce McConnell-Barker and Denton Mateychuk 26.2
Jack Hughes 26.28
Filip Mesar 26.83
Lian Bischel 28.8
Pano Fimis 29.3
Cutter Gauthier 29.31
Liam Ohgren 29.62
Simon Forsmark and Danny Zhilkin 31

As you can see, the top 5 is up for grabs after Wright, 11-15 is up for grabs too and there are a lot of people who are averaging to be a late 1st
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Nov. 23, 2021 at 8:26 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
So due to BruinsFan35 updating his rankings and me adding The Hockey News Rankings to my formula here is everyone who is a projected 1st rounder ( average of 32 or under, will only add max 2 decimals )

Shane Wright 1
Matt Savoie 5.3
Juraj Slafkovsky 5.4
Simon Nemec 5.7
Joakim Kemell and Ivan Miroshnichenko 6.4
Logan Cooley 6.6
Danila Yurov 7.1
Brad Lambert 7.2
Connor Geekie 8.5
David Jiricek 11.77
Rutger McGroarty 15
Frank Nazar 15.77
Isaac Howard 18
Noah Ostlund 18.91
Jonathan Lekkerimaki 19.55
Ryan Chesley and Elias Salomonsson 19.8
Tristan Luneau 19.9
Ty Nelson 20.16
Seamus Casey 20.75
Nathan Gaucher 23.25
Marco Kasper 25.05
Bryce McConnell-Barker and Denton Mateychuk 26.2
Jack Hughes 26.28
Filip Mesar 26.83
Lian Bischel 28.8
Pano Fimis 29.3
Cutter Gauthier 29.31
Liam Ohgren 29.62
Simon Forsmark and Danny Zhilkin 31

As you can see, the top 5 is up for grabs after Wright, 11-15 is up for grabs too and there are a lot of people who are averaging to be a late 1st


If the sabres could get Lambert, then Jiricek, then Nelson our prospect pool would be solid at every position. If we got Wright our prospect pool would be complete. Here is our 23 and under roster + Krebs and Ollofson. Position in chart is by their likely highest skill level. Natural positions first.

LW
Ollofson
Asplund
Poltapov
Kisakov
Weissbach
Bloom
Murray

C
Cozens
(Lambert)
Krebs
Thompson
Mittelstadt
Pekar
Routsalainen

RW
Quinn
Tuch
Peterka
Rosen

LD
Dahlin
Power
Bryson
Sammuellson
Johnson

RD
Jiricek
Jokiharju
Nelson
Laakason

G
Levi
UPL
Portillo
Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:43 p.m.
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Lambert really is not helping his stock for the 2022 draft lul

Besides the bad play so far that was not acceptable
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Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:48 p.m.
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Lambert really is not helping his stock for the 2022 draft lul

Besides the bad play so far that was not acceptable


Oof, i think Lambert could go back into the top 10 but attitude issues won't help his case
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Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:50 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Oof, i think Lambert could go back into the top 10 but attitude issues won't help his case


I think Yzerman might take a chance but wow was that not called for by Lambert. Cant be doing that especially if he wants to go to the NHL one day.


Could even see the bench reaction from his own team. By my guess 1-2 game suspension for obscene gesture usage
Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:53 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan




Back to Sweden, Rögle.


That lasted long in Carolina.

Good for him though to go back to Rogle. He played well there and was a core piece
Nov. 24, 2021 at 5:56 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Oof, i think Lambert could go back into the top 10 but attitude issues won't help his case


Attitude issues?

Sounds like a SJS job…

We’re 1/2 (Merkley W! Kane…. should we even count Kane tho?)
1/1 lol
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Nov. 24, 2021 at 6:39 p.m.
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Attitude issues?

Sounds like a SJS job…

We’re 1/2 (Merkley W! Kane…. should we even count Kane tho?)
1/1 lol


I don't know if Lambert actually has attitude issues but that clip would indicate he might have one
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Nov. 24, 2021 at 6:47 p.m.
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What’s considered attitude issues
Nov. 24, 2021 at 7:21 p.m.
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What’s considered attitude issues


When talking about a prospect, they'll be put with off-ice issues but pretty much anything that would suggest the player may not listen to their coaches, is over-confident, etc. I may not have the best explanation as I don't really go into off-ice stuff while scouting
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Nov. 25, 2021 at 10:07 p.m.
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What’s considered attitude issues


Being an as*hole or just not being dedicated to your sport (skipping workouts, partying)
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Nov. 26, 2021 at 6:49 p.m.
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I've now scouted all players with an average under 40, 27 of them, I've been able to make a complete report and rank them, the other 14, i have none/some info on but I've left unranked for now
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Nov. 27, 2021 at 5:01 p.m.
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So I was looking through a TDL target list of my own for Hertl (just boredom)

Stopping at Florida.. I do think Hertl to Florida would be a great move (Hertl wants a cup, Florida would be deep as hell adding Hertl @50%)

But there prospect scene has changed a bit..

I put together:

Denisenko
Heponiemi
Smilanic

All three would have to move for Hertl imo; Heponiemi has been a rollercoaster and struggled but still has promise; albeit not much more than a 2nd liner at max I think.
Denisenko as well, has fallen from grace; and I don't think he has much time left to right the ship yet he holds promise as well.

So two prospects who used to be cherished, but have had their ceilings/ projections fall like a rock (some think its even BEST to dump Denisenko asap while he still has value).
And Smilanic who I like but is a third rounder who won't see the pro's for years at least.

Anyone else has an opinion on Denisenko & Hepo / what Florida should do with them?
Those two used to be HUGE names amongst prospects and have stumbled mightily.
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Nov. 27, 2021 at 5:27 p.m.
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So I've tried to scout anyone who my formula puts their average ranking under 55 and I must say, there's a decent amount of prospects who I can't get enough info on to rank ( i don't watch tape, not my style, I like to read reports ). The ratio of scouted players to players I tried to scout but didn't get enough info is 31:26. However, if you have questions about a decently ranked prospect, odds are, I can at least partially answer ( top prospects I can definitely give full info )
Nov. 27, 2021 at 7:57 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
So I've tried to scout anyone who my formula puts their average ranking under 55 and I must say, there's a decent amount of prospects who I can't get enough info on to rank ( i don't watch tape, not my style, I like to read reports ). The ratio of scouted players to players I tried to scout but didn't get enough info is 31:26. However, if you have questions about a decently ranked prospect, odds are, I can at least partially answer ( top prospects I can definitely give full info )


With this type of thing, sites like EliteProspects are your best friend. You can have stats, strengths/weaknesses, and little snippets of articles from other scouts. It’s very helpful.
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Nov. 27, 2021 at 9:15 p.m.
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With this type of thing, sites like EliteProspects are your best friend. You can have stats, strengths/weaknesses, and little snippets of articles from other scouts. It’s very helpful.


That’s the problem, the good sites are locked being paywalls but last year i did a good job scouting but i started in like may so i didn’t get too many names on my board ( i think i had 190 ). As the year goes on, I’ll have enough info on everyone who’s good since i’m currently using 4 sites for my info and when other sites release their prospects profiles, I’ll be cross-referencing like 7 different people and sites
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Nov. 27, 2021 at 10:27 p.m.
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That’s the problem, the good sites are locked being paywalls but last year i did a good job scouting but i started in like may so i didn’t get too many names on my board ( i think i had 190 ). As the year goes on, I’ll have enough info on everyone who’s good since i’m currently using 4 sites for my info and when other sites release their prospects profiles, I’ll be cross-referencing like 7 different people and sites

Honestly I usually don’t scout more than like 20 guys this early into the year. You’re lucky if you get more than 1 scouting report on a guy currently ranked outside the 1st round on most people’s list at this point in the season. It’s honestly better to wait until near the end of the regular season, and then you get like the THN top 100 + HMs in their draft preview, Dobber has more info on guys, the hockey writers starts doing more scouting profiles, etc. and you can get different scouting reports that aren’t locked behind a paywall. Plus it’s a crapshoot right now, probably 3-5 guys that look like top 20 locks today will slip outside the 1st, and some guys nobody has ever heard of, and those that have consider a late round pick, will have a great WJC or Hlinka-Gretzky, tear up the last half of their season in junior, and go in the 1st round. Although I’m probably gonna buy the athletic because $12 for the year is nothing lol, and I’ll check out what Pronman’s saying, but yeah, as far as free scouting goes, it’s so difficult it’s generally not worth doing more than listening to podcasts from draft experts until like April.
 
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