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Sammy G to the Habs

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Team: 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 11, 2021
Published: Nov. 11, 2021
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To be clear… I don’t think it would be great business to trade Girard, given his cost control.

You’d be in pretty tough to find a better contract than his… maybe Nik Ehlers in Winnipeg.

I’m just curious as to what a Habs trade might look like.
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  1. Drouin, Jonathan
  2. Niku, Sami
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (MTL)
  4. 2022 3rd round pick (ANA)
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2023
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23$81,500,000$80,443,963$1,741,463$3,350,000$1,056,037
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$908,333$908,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
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$725,000$725,000
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
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RD
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD
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$750,000$750,000
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$875,000$875,000
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Nov. 11, 2021 at 8:02 p.m.
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Xercuses
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Lmao good one
Nov. 11, 2021 at 8:06 p.m.
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Thank you Pavelski
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I wonder if Habs would consider trading Caufield for Girard+picks or prospects
Nov. 11, 2021 at 8:09 p.m.
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Lmao good one


Yeah, that’s definitely not reasonable value for a 23 year old puck moving PP QB, locked in for the next 6 seasons at a very reasonable $5M…. Lol
Nov. 11, 2021 at 8:17 p.m.
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What about Drouin, Chiarot and two 2nds?
Nov. 11, 2021 at 8:35 p.m.
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Girard is overrated, and yet you still stiffed the Avs.
Nov. 11, 2021 at 10:22 p.m.
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What do the avs really need
Nov. 12, 2021 at 8:51 a.m.
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Girard is overrated, and yet you still stiffed the Avs.


Well, at least you're half right
Nov. 12, 2021 at 8:52 a.m.
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What do the avs really need


I'd say they need more help on the bottom six - a bit more size and some scoring; it's cliche at this point but a Blake Coleman type guy. Oh, and better luck on the injury front would make a big difference.
Nov. 12, 2021 at 8:54 a.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
What about Drouin, Chiarot and two 2nds?


Personally, I'm not interested in Drouin at all
Nov. 12, 2021 at 9:28 a.m.
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Well, at least you're half right


Ya, 170lb d nan that is offense first but does not really score and average defensively. Piles up assists. Rest of his game is meh.
Nov. 12, 2021 at 9:47 a.m.
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Ya, 170lb d nan that is offense first but does not really score and average defensively. Piles up assists. Rest of his game is meh.


Makes a great first pass, can QB a PP and plays on the PK, good vision on the ice, can jump into the play; and being "average" defensively is still pretty good. The only real knock on him is his size which is all about what you value more, skill or size. Of course, it's great when you can have both but that's not a lot of D-men. The real feature is his contract - 6 more years at $5M per. Most teams would feel pretty good about having a guy who can do all those things and play top-pair at that price. YOU might not want him on the B's but I'd say 2/3rd's of NHL teams would give quite a bit to get someone like him.
Nov. 12, 2021 at 9:59 a.m.
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Quoting: Jfstompers
What do the avs really need


They really need another top 6 winger imo.
Nov. 12, 2021 at 10:00 a.m.
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Personally, I'm not interested in Drouin at all


A lot of Avs fans have a hate boner for Drouin for some reason.
Nov. 12, 2021 at 10:11 a.m.
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Makes a great first pass, can QB a PP and plays on the PK, good vision on the ice, can jump into the play; and being "average" defensively is still pretty good. The only real knock on him is his size which is all about what you value more, skill or size. Of course, it's great when you can have both but that's not a lot of D-men. The real feature is his contract - 6 more years at $5M per. Most teams would feel pretty good about having a guy who can do all those things and play top-pair at that price. YOU might not want him on the B's but I'd say 2/3rd's of NHL teams would give quite a bit to get someone like him.



You just described Grizz and Mike Reilly, which is exactly my point. People look at him as a #2, first pair type. That is overrating him. He’s a 3/4 who excels in some parts of the games and has holes elsewhere. As far as the contract goes it’s not special. He is not underpaid. The long term security is nice. But the Avs thought so too, now they want to dump him. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Nov. 12, 2021 at 10:42 a.m.
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You just described Grizz and Mike Reilly, which is exactly my point. People look at him as a #2, first pair type. That is overrating him. He’s a 3/4 who excels in some parts of the games and has holes elsewhere. As far as the contract goes it’s not special. He is not underpaid. The long term security is nice. But the Avs thought so too, now they want to dump him. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Now you're just BS'ing. How much have you actually watched him? My guess is not much just like I don't follow the Bruins and couldn't comment on any of their players outside of their superstars. And what makes you think the Avs want to dump him? The rumors were generated by a Denver Post reporter who has zero inside knowledge or connection to the team; he was simply speculating, not reporting anything that he had special knowledge of. So, of course, people here picked it up and ran with the nothingburger it was in the first place.
Nov. 12, 2021 at 10:43 a.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
They really need another top 6 winger imo.


It wouldn't hurt but I see building up the bottom six as being more important - they need that depth scoring.
Nov. 12, 2021 at 10:44 a.m.
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A lot of Avs fans have a hate boner for Drouin for some reason.


Most of the proposals I've seen are from Habs fans wanting to unload him, LOL. Some others think he and Mac can re-create chemistry they had almost a decade ago. It's bizarre.
Nov. 12, 2021 at 10:46 a.m.
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It wouldn't hurt but I see building up the bottom six as being more important - they need that depth scoring.


When Mac is healthy who's playing with Kadri and Burakovsky on the 2nd line?
Nov. 12, 2021 at 10:48 a.m.
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Now you're just BS'ing. How much have you actually watched him? My guess is not much just like I don't follow the Bruins and couldn't comment on any of their players outside of their superstars. And what makes you think the Avs want to dump him? The rumors were generated by a Denver Post reporter who has zero inside knowledge or connection to the team; he was simply speculating, not reporting anything that he had special knowledge of. So, of course, people here picked it up and ran with the nothingburger it was in the first place.


I watch a dozen or so Avs season games and all the playoffs. He’s not a first pair d man.

I have read multiple reports that they want to move him to free up the cap space and add a FW. He’s a luxury with Toews and Byram on the left side there that are both cheaper.

Understand overrated does not mean bad. It just means many on here place a higher value on him then he actually has.
Nov. 12, 2021 at 10:50 a.m.
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When Mac is healthy who's playing with Kadri and Burakovsky on the 2nd line?


Nichushkin. Which has been working when he's healthy but that also means there is a hole on the 3rd line where he played last year. He's really good defensively and is a possession monster so I like him at 2LW so I'd rather see the Avs bring in more guys like him to play down the lineup: have some size, good defensively, can get into dirty areas and score, good on possession. Probably a lot to ask and if you did bring in a scoring wing you can move Nuke back to 3LW so that would work, too, but you have to give up more to get that. Maybe it's a 6 one way, a half dozen the other.
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Nov. 12, 2021 at 11:31 a.m.
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You just described Grizz and Mike Reilly, which is exactly my point. People look at him as a #2, first pair type. That is overrating him. He’s a 3/4 who excels in some parts of the games and has holes elsewhere. As far as the contract goes it’s not special. He is not underpaid. The long term security is nice. But the Avs thought so too, now they want to dump him. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Yeah you're right on, he's krug with less production
Nov. 12, 2021 at 11:34 a.m.
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I'd say they need more help on the bottom six - a bit more size and some scoring; it's cliche at this point but a Blake Coleman type guy. Oh, and better luck on the injury front would make a big difference.


Well I wish we had a guy in Detroit that fit the bill. Id like girard on a 2nd pair here. Guys like erne and namestnikov arent productive enough. Wed have to add a 1st rounder and I can't see yzerman moving a pick in the early teens for him.
Nov. 12, 2021 at 12:58 p.m.
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I watch a dozen or so Avs season games and all the playoffs. He’s not a first pair d man.

I have read multiple reports that they want to move him to free up the cap space and add a FW. He’s a luxury with Toews and Byram on the left side there that are both cheaper.

Understand overrated does not mean bad. It just means many on here place a higher value on him then he actually has.


Those "reports" aren't reports, they're speculation. It was started by Mike Chambers at the Denver Post and then run with by others. Chambers has no insider knowledge of the Avs internal operations; he's like Kiszla and Frei in that they don't really follow the team but they'll make guesses and conjecture based off nothing.

The idea of him being "overrated" isn't a statement of fact, it's an opinion which, go right ahead but his underlying numbers are pretty strong; there are many teams that would be happy to have a player like him at his current contract for the next 6 years.

I consider it more likely they'd move someone like Toews, who is older and doesn't have as many years left on his deal. But, considering the injury issues they've been having, I don't see the Avs trading anyone off the D corps this season.
Nov. 12, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.
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Those "reports" aren't reports, they're speculation. It was started by Mike Chambers at the Denver Post and then run with by others. Chambers has no insider knowledge of the Avs internal operations; he's like Kiszla and Frei in that they don't really follow the team but they'll make guesses and conjecture based off nothing.

The idea of him being "overrated" isn't a statement of fact, it's an opinion which, go right ahead but his underlying numbers are pretty strong; there are many teams that would be happy to have a player like him at his current contract for the next 6 years.

I consider it more likely they'd move someone like Toews, who is older and doesn't have as many years left on his deal. But, considering the injury issues they've been having, I don't see the Avs trading anyone off the D corps this season.


Much of what is reported is just speculation in all cases. I’ve seen it from respectable sources as well. It is what it is. Take it for what you will. I believe it when i see it because 95% 9f these things don’t happen.

His early season play/struggles has fueled the speculation.
Nov. 12, 2021 at 2:08 p.m.
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Much of what is reported is just speculation in all cases. I’ve seen it from respectable sources as well. It is what it is. Take it for what you will. I believe it when i see it because 95% 9f these things don’t happen.

His early season play/struggles has fueled the speculation.


The entire team has been playing pretty poorly overall. Last night was their best overall game and, wouldn't you know it, Girard was a lot better, too. No way they're going to jettison him based on such a small sample size.

Now, the Avs do have a need for some bottom six help and they have Justin Barron almost ready for the NHL, so it would not be all that surprising to see a D like Girard or Toews traded in the offseason for a young scoring wing with term but it would have to be the right deal. To me, Toews is more likely to be moved because he'll be very enticing to other teams because of his underlying stats and ability to play in all situation. It's unlikely the Avs will be able to retain him after his current deal expires because he'll cost so much but he could fetch a nice return. Then again, if someone like Olausson is ready to be that young scoring wing, then they may not need to make a trade.
 
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