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Hertl trade

Created by: Lancebmx
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 16, 2021
Published: Nov. 16, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Detroit Red Wings
Team Explanation
I don't even know if the wings have the sort of assets required to acquire a player like Hertl or if it's even worth while yet.

This team though could potentially move the needle from rebuild status to playoff contention.
Trades
1.
DET
  1. Hertl, Tomas
Additional Details:
Is this what San Jose would be looking for?
I can never tell what kind of team they have.
SJS
  1. Veleno, Joseph
  2. Berggren, Jonatan
  3. Fabbri, Robby
  4. 2022 2nd round pick (DET)
Additional Details:
Not really sure if this is what they want.
Veleno is looking to be a good middle six centre or top 6 winger.
Berggren is looking to make an impact on the nhl next year and is a nice player.
Fabbri to give them a roster player, they can trade him later or sign him if they want.
A high second round pick in a deep draft.
Buyouts
  • Frans Nielsen: $4,250,000
  • Justin Abdelkader: $2,305,556
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Richard Pánik: $1,375,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
DET
WSH
DET
DET
COL
VGK
DET
DET
2023
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
2024
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$70,960,556$0$4,200,000$10,539,444
Left WingCenterRight Wing
DET
Bertuzzi, Tyler
$4,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
DET
Larkin, Dylan
$6,100,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
DET
Raymond, Lucas
$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 3
DET
Vrána, Jakub
$5,250,000
LW
UFA - 3
SJS
Hertl, Tomas
$5,625,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
DET
Zadina, Filip
$894,167
RW, LW
RFA - 1
DET
Rasmussen, Michael
$1,460,000
LW, C, RW
RFA - 3
DET
Suter, Pius
$3,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
DET
Namestnikov, Vladislav
$2,000,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
DET
Erne, Adam
$2,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
DET
Stephens, Mitchell
$737,500
C
RFA - 1
DET
Gagner, Sam
$850,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
DET
DeKeyser, Danny
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
DET
Seider, Moritz
$863,333
RD
RFA - 3
DET
Greiss, Thomas
$3,600,000
G
UFA - 1
DET
Leddy, Nick
$5,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
DET
Hronek, Filip
$4,400,000
RD
RFA - 3
DET
Nedeljkovic, Alex
$3,000,000
G
UFA - 2
DET
Staal, Marc
$2,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
DET
Stecher, Troy
$1,700,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
DET
Oesterle, Jordan
$1,350,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
DET
Rowney, Carter
$825,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
DET
Lindström, Gustav
$850,000
RD
RFA - 2

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Nov. 16, 2021 at 11:48 p.m.
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They could use an overpaid defenseman
Nov. 16, 2021 at 11:50 p.m.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
They could use an overpaid defenseman


hey!!! not cool.
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Nov. 16, 2021 at 11:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
hey!!! not cool.


Rip
Nov. 16, 2021 at 11:52 p.m.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
They could use an overpaid defenseman


Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
hey!!! not cool.


Dekeyser for Hertl straight up? Lol
Nov. 16, 2021 at 11:53 p.m.
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this is a little underwhelming.
sharks should really want a 1st and a top level prospect
Nov. 16, 2021 at 11:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Lancebmx
Dekeyser for Hertl straight up? Lol


I’m for it
Nov. 16, 2021 at 11:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
this is a little underwhelming.
sharks should really want a 1st and a top level prospect


Fair, I honestly don't think Detroit has the pieces to be making this kind of trade.
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Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:03 a.m.
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You would likely need to obtain a 1st somehow and add in a mix of Wallinder/Velano/McIsaac providing none of the big 3 prospects are on the table. Even then Im not sure the Sharks would "bite"
Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:15 a.m.
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Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
You would likely need to obtain a 1st somehow and add in a mix of Wallinder/Velano/McIsaac providing none of the big 3 prospects are on the table. Even then Im not sure the Sharks would "bite"


Yeah I agree, maybe Leddy returns a first at the deadline, more and more teams needing defensive help making his price tag go up a bit.
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Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:17 a.m.
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Needs to be a first and a prospect a tier up. Dont need a bunch of stuff really
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Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:20 a.m.
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Quoting: papishark
Needs to be a first and a prospect a tier up. Dont need a bunch of stuff really


?

Berggren still has one of the best U20 SHL seasons of all time under his belt it's ridiculous to call he *and* Veleno "a bunch of stuff"

Lack of research or lack of recognition?
Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:30 a.m.
#12
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Why rent Hertl? Small chance DET even makes playoffs.
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Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:32 a.m.
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Whoa. With a huge return like that there has to be an extension in place. But then it's an extension for him 29-36 at least so definitely not his prime and...

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of Berggren and Veleno were as good as him in that time given they're both 22-29 and super promising

Berggren historic u20 SHL season. Veleno rather wizardly. At very least the cost per point will be similar as Hertl seems very likely to get paid$$$ so... Confused
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Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:32 a.m.
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Quoting: jwg314
Why rent Hertl? Small chance DET even makes playoffs.


Tomas Rentl ayy bada bing awesome face 😉
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Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:33 a.m.
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Quoting: jwg314
Why rent Hertl? Small chance DET even makes playoffs.


It would definitely be a situation where Hertl gets signed, I was just trying to see if it could work.
Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:35 a.m.
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Quoting: Radu47
Whoa. With a huge return like that there has to be an extension in place. But then it's an extension for him 29-36 at least so definitely not his prime and...

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of Berggren and Veleno were as good as him in that time given they're both 22-29 and super promising

Berggren historic u20 SHL season. Veleno rather wizardly. At very least the cost per point will be similar as Hertl seems very likely to get paid$$$ so... Confused


Agreed I would rather stay the course, just wanting to see what it would look like to trade for him. Seen alot of Hertl signing in Detroit AGMs to make the Czeching line with Vrana and Zadina.
Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:52 a.m.
#17
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Quoting: Radu47
Whoa. With a huge return like that there has to be an extension in place. But then it's an extension for him 29-36 at least so definitely not his prime and...

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of Berggren and Veleno were as good as him in that time given they're both 22-29 and super promising

Berggren historic u20 SHL season. Veleno rather wizardly. At very least the cost per point will be similar as Hertl seems very likely to get paid$$$ so... Confused


Veleno and Berggren are less popular prospect names but are definitely up there in potential, so I agree this is an overpay if there's no extension in place.
Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:52 a.m.
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Quoting: Radu47
?

Berggren still has one of the best U20 SHL seasons of all time under his belt it's ridiculous to call he *and* Veleno "a bunch of stuff"

Lack of research or lack of recognition?


I like Berggren but Im not sold that hes on the same level as someone like Boldy. Veleno and Fabbri dont impress me at all, I dont think they are anything but depth long term.

Berggren and a first is certainly a more appealing offer here, but I understand your first could still be pretty high so not going to happen. If you trade like Vrana or someone for a mid first, then I could see a possible Hertl deal.
Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:52 a.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
this is a little underwhelming.
sharks should really want a 1st and a top level prospect


Bergren is a top level prospect have you seen his stats in the shl? id do that trade in a heartbeat if I was gm
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Nov. 17, 2021 at 12:58 a.m.
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Honestly don't hate this. Centers are our main area of need which Veleno should fill if we were to trade Hertl. He's not necessarily the best prospect ever, but I don't mind him. Berggren is solid too. Just would rather see better return than a 2nd and Fabbri (who we don't really need). Just Veleno and a 1st would be more enticing but I'd understand the Wings not wanting to trade away a 1st.

Highly doubt the Wings even consider this, but Cossa would be huge for SJ as well.
Nov. 17, 2021 at 2:19 a.m.
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I like it actually for SJ. Veleno and Bergren are strong prospects.
Nov. 17, 2021 at 2:19 a.m.
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Quoting: GoatBarzal
Bergren is a top level prospect have you seen his stats in the shl? id do that trade in a heartbeat if I was gm


Agree.
Nov. 17, 2021 at 6:55 a.m.
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Why are we renting players , its just giving away prospects
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Nov. 17, 2021 at 6:59 a.m.
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Quoting: Jfstompers
Why are we renting players , its just giving away prospects


This trade would be dependant on an extension
Nov. 17, 2021 at 8:51 a.m.
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I would take out Berggren. And send the remaining.
If it’s a deadline deal, a premium for an extension is not normally included. Selling team for can ask for that but isn’t going to get.

Otherwise just wait a few months and sign him as UFA.
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