PIT would need to add A LOT

Also, neither guy is available for trade right now sooo

Lmao that offer doesn’t get a signed Cirelli puck

I don't see any potential with the ANA or TBL trades, but the SJS and TOR deals are interesting.

Sharks DO NOT NEED another damn LD!!! we have less than zero need here! we actually need to move 2 LD as we are overloaded on the Left side. and we badly need RH shot wingers. this trade you take out only RHS winger for another LD and an overpaid one to boot!!!

see my post above!
Ferraro, Knyzhov Hatakka Merkley and Kinazev at all quality NHL players or NHL ready. add Simek and Vlasic and we are stupidly overloaded with LD talent and lack RD depth or RW depth all sharks trades need to consider what we need.

Ferraro is the only good LD option for SJS that you listed though.

- Merkley is RHD so not sure how adding Pettersson affects him
- Kinazev and Hatakka are both 20, so I don't see them making an impact in the NHL quite yet -- and getting a more veteran defenseman to allow them to get some more time in the minor leagues isn't a bad idea
- Knyzhov was OK last season but hasn't touched the ice this year (injury, but still) -- he kinda came out of nowhere so lets see if he can repeat his play from last year (only 3rd pairing guy though) before writing off adding another dman
- Simek and Vlasic aren't great defenseman so it makes sense to me to try to move on from them (obviously hard with the Vlasic contract -- maybe a buyout? bench?).

To me, there is room for Pettersson on that blueline.

Oh wow these are badddd

Kinazev and Hatakka have both looked good and Hatakka has outplayed Simek and Vlasic so far this season.

Knyzhov looked way better than OK, every D man he played with upped the other players Corsi and the eye test was there as well! he looks like a player who could be a staple for years to come!
and Middleton and Karlsson looks really really good together so far this yea
and Middleton isn’t anything special… but he adds some toughness to our lineup!

Simek we need to trade and Vlasic we are stuck with and you can’t bench a 7 mil player it just looks bad! my hope is Vlasic retires this year, but i doubt it will happen.

the other issue why i am against this is we hav Burns eating 8 mill a year Karlsson eating 11.5 mill a year and then you add Vlasic at 7 mill and in the offseason Ferraro is getting 3.8-5 a year extention (and he deserves it) and knyzhov will need an extention as well 1.5-2.25 i would assume. that’s a LOT OF CASH!!!! we just don’t have cap or space for another high salary D man! we need to make due with ELV or min paid deals for the rest of the lineup.

I'm confused. Is this shake-up supposed to help us in the future or the present? Because this team doesn't look like it would necessarily be better in the present or future to me.
Cirelli is a great player who's only 24 and is going to get better, but I think that in the present, Rust is a better player. ZAR is also an underrated piece who is a great defensive guy and currently leads the Pens in hits.
Getting Gibson is a fantastic move if we want to be better now. Giving up Guentzel is not. Yeah, there's McTavish there as well, but that would definitely require Pittsburgh to throw in more, which probably means picks/prospects. I'll just call it a lateral move for now, which is something that I don't think either team involved would be interested in even if either was willing to give up the pieces in this deal.
Pettersson has been, in my opinion, the Pens best defensemen this season. I know we need to shed a guy at LD and Dumo and Matheson aren't as movable, but this just feels like another move being made for the sake of making a move. What does this accomplish to benefit either the Penguins or Sharks?
I don't understand the appeal of Holl. Maybe I just haven't seen him play enough, but I don't really like the idea of him as a Penguin. This move also gets rid of two upcoming RFAs in Heinen and Friedman. With Heinen as part of this trade, I don't think it helps the Penguins succeed now or in the future.
What good are trades if they don't accomplish anything? I don't see these trades helping in the future, and less so in the present. They're all lateral moves at best for a team that needs the synergy and drive they had for the first few games of the season, and I don't see these trades doing that.

I would pump the brakes a bit on Kinazev and Hatakka -- they have 7 games of combined NHL experience.

But I get what you're saying. Maybe a deal like this is predicated on flipping Burns to open up a top 4 of Ferraro - Karlsson // Pettersson - Merkley or something like that. And then a mix of Vlasic, Middleton, and one of Hatakka/Kinazev -- hopefully also trading Simek in this scenario.

But yeah, having over $30m tied up in 4 defenseman (not including Simek or a Ferraro extension) probably isn't the best use of cap space.

A LOT A LOT

No I like the thought process, my other concern is Merkley and Karlsson are both on the smaller side side and are below average in the D zone. I like pairing them with bigger D minded guys to clear the net and protect them. that’s why my preferred D lineup would be as follows next year
Ferraro Burns
Knyzhov Karlsson
hatakka/ middleton and Merkley
with Kinazev as a healthy scratch or the first call up!
Middleton and Karlsson’s chemistry could see
them together with Hatakka the scratch and kinazev in the minors for another year.
but bottom line Vlasic and simek have to be gone somehow unless either one has a miraculous turnaround.

The TBL and ANA trades are miles off... PIT adds

Hard pass for the Labanc trade. We have a logjam in terms of defensemen already, and we need Top 6 RWs to help with scoring and draft picks to refresh the prospect pool.

Imo Labanc is more valuable then Pettersson on value alone so I'd decline for that reason first and foremost.