If Vancouver does rebuild do it right

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Created by: Reason

Team: 2021-22 Vancouver Canucks

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 17, 2021

Published: Nov. 17, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Not saying Vancouver should commit to a rebuild, yet, however if they finally do have a change of course they should do it with both feet in. The end goal should be a Stanley Cup, not the playoffs.

If they do commit to a rebuild all the players being moved, expect maybe Boeser, will be out of their prime by the time Vancouver is able to compete. If Boeser is still in his prime he will be near the end of it. Garland is kept for now as he is a already a fan favourite and helps form a respectable first line. EP, QH, NH, VP are all kept as the are young enough to build around going forward. All other roster players would be available for the right price.

Taking an approach like this may be worth considering. These types of moves would restock Vancouver's depleted prospect pool and add a much need infusion of young possible impact players to their roster. It would also give them around 16 million to add players in the offseason.

Trades

VAN

McTavish, Mason
2022 2nd round pick (ANA)

ANA

Horvat, Bo

Additional Details:

Horvat seems like he would be a great fit with the Ducks.
He's a leader, faceoff monster and plays his best in big games.

If he's a bit to old at 26 for the Ducks, trade could be made to another team for a similar package.

VAN

Turcotte, Alex
2022 2nd round pick (LAK)

Additional Details:

Not totally sure of Turcottes value. If he's an A prospect, him and a 2nd seem like fair value for a still young Boeser.

LAK

Boeser, Brock

VAN

Wallstedt, Jesper [Reserve List]
2022 1st round pick (MIN)

MIN

Demko, Thatcher

Additional Details:

If your just going to look at Demko's currnt save percentage, might want to skip commenting. He is a legitimate high end number 1, he is playing behind by far the worst PK and defense in the NHL. Seems like a good fit for a Wild team that could be competitors for some time.

VAN

NYR

Miller, J.T. ($2,000,000 retained)

Buyouts

Braden Holtby: $500,000
Jake Virtanen: $50,000

Retained Salary Transactions

J.T. Miller: $2,000,000 (38.1%)

Recapture Fees

Roberto Luongo: $3,035,212

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
25	$81,500,000	$66,391,493	$648,780	$6,232,500	$15,108,507

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Höglander, Nils $891,667$891,667 ($200,000$200K) LW, RW RFA - 2	Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 3	Garland, Conor $4,950,000$4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 5
Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW NTC UFA - 3	Dickinson, Jason $2,650,000$2,650,000 C, LW UFA - 3	Podkolzin, Vasily $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 3
Motte, Tyler $1,225,000$1,225,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	McTavish, Mason $925,000$925,000 C, LW RFA - 4
Lammikko, Juho $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Dowling, Justin $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Bailey, Justin $750,000$750,000 RW UFA - 1
	Turcotte, Alex $894,167$894,167 ($1,550,000$2M) C RFA - 3	Chiasson, Alex $750,000$750,000 RW UFA - 1
		Kravtsov, Vitali $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 6	Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 4	Halák, Jaroslav $1,500,000$1,500,000 ($1,500,000$2M) G NMC UFA - 1
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000$7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 6	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 3	DiPietro, Michael $811,667$811,667 ($32,500$32K) G RFA - 1
Rathbone, Jack $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) LD RFA - 1	Hamonic, Travis $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2
Schneider, Braden $925,000$925,000 ($400,000$400K) RD RFA - 3	Burroughs, Kyle $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Hunt, Brad $800,000$800,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Schenn, Luke $850,000$850,000 RD UFA - 2	Ferland, Micheal $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2
		Sutter, Brandon $1,125,000$1,125,000 RW, C UFA - 1
		Keeper, Brady $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 2
		Highmore, Matthew $725,000$725,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Nov. 17, 2021 at 9:03 p.m.

#26

Josh

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So, i never was a JT Miller fan but he's almost a perfect fit. He can play any role in any position in the top 9. Plays on the PP, kills penalties, wins faceoffs, hits. And he can put up points.

Tricky part, the Rangers aren't necessarily looking for a point per game guy. They need a complimentary guy that can provide scoring. The cost via trade might be a bit much. I could see Schneider plus pick. Kravtsov + B prospect + pick. Don't think you'll see 2 top prospects moved in this deal.

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Nov. 17, 2021 at 9:08 p.m.

#27

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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan

Nov. 17, 2021 at 9:08 p.m.

#28

Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan

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Quoting: WhereArtTLuongo

Read what I said above lmfao

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Nov. 17, 2021 at 9:11 p.m.

#29

WhereArtTLuongo

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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan

Read what I said above lmfao

Haha Gotcha

Nov. 17, 2021 at 9:25 p.m.

#30

csick

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Quoting: Juiceman

A bit foolish

Nov. 17, 2021 at 9:32 p.m.

#31

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I think Minnesota's alright in terms of goaltending. Demko though could be a nice insurance policy for another playoff contender at the deadline.

Nov. 17, 2021 at 10:15 p.m.

#32

OutCold13

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I like Demko but that price is high. You are asking for two firsts, in this case. Swap out Wallstedt for Kahkonen and you are closer. That said, Wild don't have cap space for Demko.

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Nov. 17, 2021 at 10:28 p.m.

#33

GophersBenJ

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There's no way like ever wild are doing this. Minnesota isn't trading jasper wallstedt much less add an additional 1st round pick for Demko whose not that great of a G. If you think Vancouver can get two 1st round picks for him, it's not realistic

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Nov. 17, 2021 at 10:51 p.m.

#34

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Hmmmm . . . One year plus of Horvat or 7 years plus of McTavish . . . who wont cost as much for the first three as Horvat costs for his one . . . hmmmm . . .

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Nov. 17, 2021 at 10:53 p.m.

#35

Reason

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Hmmmm . . . One year plus of Horvat or 7 years plus of McTavish . . . who wont cost as much for the first three as Horvat costs for his one . . . hmmmm . . .

Read through previous comments for a response. Previous poster already brought this to light and it was responded to.

Nov. 17, 2021 at 10:55 p.m.

#36

Reason

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Quoting: CAPDumba

You obviously haven't watched much of Demko.
You may be correct in that Demko might not get two 1st's, but I would bet there is a team willing to pay that price, or close too it.

Nov. 17, 2021 at 11:02 p.m.

#37

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Quoting: Reason

You obviously haven't watched much of Demko.
You may be correct in that Demko might not get two 1st's, but I would bet there is a team willing to pay that price, or close too it.

No one is paying two 1st round picks . Its been made clear through draft gm's don't value G like that. You are just exxageraion and being bias. I have watch Demko. The exxageraion about him being this great G isn't. He let's in easy goals and teams like wild and other have his number

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Nov. 17, 2021 at 11:30 p.m.

#38

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Yeah I’m good, we couldn’t afford him long term and I don’t think he’s that much of an improvement over Strome to be worth it especially considering Strome’s chemistry with Panarin. If anything we need to shift Chytil to the wing and get a 3C to play behind Mika and Strome instead of trying to fix what isn’t broken in Strome.

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Nov. 17, 2021 at 11:33 p.m.

#39

Reason

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Edited Nov. 18, 2021 at 12:47 a.m.

Quoting: CAPDumba

That's a decent point about goalie values not being that of others, and was something I did consider. My bet however is that most teams that would be trading for Demko wouldn't be surrendering high first round picks, they would likely be 20-32 range and it would be teams that are ready to compete now and for the next few years. I don't think someone would surrender two high-mid round 1sts, but I will concede my evaluation might be a bit off, maybe a 1st and a 2nd.

Demko has been great, his team has been the worst defensively and on the PK. There is chatter that he COULD make team USA for the Olympics and that team is deep with elite goaltenders.

Nov. 17, 2021 at 11:34 p.m.

#40

Reason

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Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448

That's a fair comment. I appreciate your perspective.

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Nov. 18, 2021 at 12:12 a.m.

#41

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Quoting: Reason

Might be waiting a long time with the way he's playing.

Quoting: Juiceman

He’s been a PPG since he came to Vancouver lmao. 136 points in 138 games. He has 18 points in 16 games so far putting him in the top ten for points in the nhl so far on a terrible Canucks team. You need to do some research before you make foolish remarks online

Quoting: TheAlien

He's been playing at a 70+ point pace every single season since joining Vancouver. Maybe you're the one with the imaginary narrative

Quoting: WhereArtTLuongo

Normally I post this under lousy trades but that comments of yours gives ME the urge to spit the Niagara Falls in your face

Apologies to you gentleman. I hope my past experiences watching JT Miller can subside and letting it cloud my judgment of the present version is just plain stupid.

I think I'd be willing to do a trade for him for anything around Strome, Kravtsov, Jones, Robertson, Othmann and picks but I don't see Schneider as an option here. They didn't even want to move him for Eichel.

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Nov. 18, 2021 at 1:22 a.m.

#42

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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan

All good bud

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Nov. 18, 2021 at 1:33 a.m.

#43

EccE

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Well, if you look at Demko's recent numbers.... Wait, nevermind.

I just don't like this trade because we have good goaltending now (Talbot, Kähkönen) and great goaltending in the future (Wallstedt). G is something that is not a weakness for us, so I don't like the idea of giving up valuable assets to fix something that isn't broken.

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Nov. 18, 2021 at 2:15 a.m.

#44

Reason

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Quoting: EccE

I mean it's definitely funny. Two weeks ago he was a must have great young goalie, two weeks later he's a poor number one. Has he changed that much over two weeks or does the Canucks less than 50% PK over that same time play a factor? That's not even mentioning the play of the defense at 5vs5. People pay to much attention to stats alone.

Nov. 18, 2021 at 12:22 p.m.

#45

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Quoting: Reason

Demko has a .922 sv% at even strength and a .782 sv% when on the pk. He's been great the pk is just historically bad

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